IMCO SCX anybody running with 900hp or more ?
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Kap.. You are wrong!! When you add a spacer between the lower and upper, as was being discussed, the coupler needs to be longer to mate the upper and lower vertical shafts together. Simple physics.. and they have NOT had any machined yet at Imco as far as I know. I discussed this topic with them several weeks ago..
That is what I was talking about.
And Yes the SCX lower is fatter than the SC or the stock Merc.. But it isnt necessarily slower in all applications, once you change the setup to work with it. I have a friend with two of them on his boat.. a full season over 150hrs and no problems. He has run as fast as he did with the XR's.. Not every time out, but he has run as fast. His X is -2" from what it was with the XR's and with the right props.. he hopes to go faster. He is not running 1Khp, but he used to go through 2-3 XR's a season..
Where is this new streamline SCX lower? I think what you are refering to is the SC lower on an SCX upper.
Dick
That is what I was talking about.
And Yes the SCX lower is fatter than the SC or the stock Merc.. But it isnt necessarily slower in all applications, once you change the setup to work with it. I have a friend with two of them on his boat.. a full season over 150hrs and no problems. He has run as fast as he did with the XR's.. Not every time out, but he has run as fast. His X is -2" from what it was with the XR's and with the right props.. he hopes to go faster. He is not running 1Khp, but he used to go through 2-3 XR's a season..
Where is this new streamline SCX lower? I think what you are refering to is the SC lower on an SCX upper.
Dick
I agree if you space the drive you will need a longer coupler. That is not what I wrote perhaps it was not clear. The point I was making is to not space it and put the coupler in which would mate the SCX upper with the SC lower.
The point is when your running to determine differences in speed you do not change the lower and the drive height at the same time. You need to keep your variables down to one change at a time ie...change lower unit to SC and see what boat runs versus changing drive lower and the height.
It is my understanding that the SCX upper cannot be mated to the SC lower without the custom coupler which IMCO has already produced.
Second, a IMCO SC lower is 2-3MPH faster than any XR I have ever bolted on and it would certainly be much faster than any early SCX lower. I know because we ran them in two different boats and the loss on the top end was equal to losing 110+-HP or MPH take your pick.
I still haven't heard of anyone running 1000HP+ with an SCX/SC drive or even a complete SCX and see if it survives and part of survival would be driving finesse' aka throttle input.
I appreciate the input on speeds with respect to your friends boat any information sheds further light on the subject.
What power and boat or did you already say? (whoops, Howard and 975) Is it blown?
To be clear, you started with a Max 900 in this same boat?
Can you give us your impressions of the X-power drive? What other components did you swap out with it?
Speed? Is it faster? Handling OK? Do you have a spacer between the upper and lower units?
Thanks
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To be clear, you started with a Max 900 in this same boat?
Can you give us your impressions of the X-power drive? What other components did you swap out with it?
Speed? Is it faster? Handling OK? Do you have a spacer between the upper and lower units?
Thanks
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I thought no one would ever ask that question. If you look in Performanceboats.com forums in the Strictly Boating section you will find a complete review of about 5 pages. The name of the thread is X-Power Drive Consumer Review the facts are laid out including conclusions.
In any event I thought about posting it here on OSO but Perf Boat Forums usually occupies most of my online time. I'm rushing to type this response or I would post a link to the thread if that is permissible.
As far as speed goes I have a prop coming which I hope will be the ticket for the top end.
KAP
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Just read through it....WOW.
Here is the link;http://www.performanceboats.com/html...onsumer+Review
I think this should be shared.
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Here is the link;http://www.performanceboats.com/html...onsumer+Review
I think this should be shared.
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I have read three pages of this thread and cannot find one owner putting serious horsepower to this drive combination.
Vinny P has an SCX mated to an SC lower which I think is a good idea hydrodynamically but the SC lower gearset is no better than a XR. I have broken the lower gearset at least once so that idea is not to thrilling for me.
Can a real owner please standup and provide commentary on their experience with an SCX drive and HP greater than 850. A single engine combination would be real nice.
This is a great thread topic but needs real driver/owner input.
KAP
I have read three pages of this thread and cannot find one owner putting serious horsepower to this drive combination.
Vinny P has an SCX mated to an SC lower which I think is a good idea hydrodynamically but the SC lower gearset is no better than a XR. I have broken the lower gearset at least once so that idea is not to thrilling for me.
Can a real owner please standup and provide commentary on their experience with an SCX drive and HP greater than 850. A single engine combination would be real nice.
This is a great thread topic but needs real driver/owner input.
KAP
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I have a brand new SCX with a 1.24 SC Lower, motor just dynoed out @ 1078hp and 998ftlbs torque we will see how it holds up, but I did have a MMW which I blew up, broke clutch shafts but believe it or not I never had a lower gear set fail, and that was babying the drive so we will see how it acts this summer, the drive will be tested in a few weeks and then its off to Desert Storm...
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I appreciate the input and I remember that sound of ding ding ding in the gear cases. Usually when your having fun. I'm glad to hear your having success.
26Redline is a friend of mine and he will be running the same combination as you are.
I have a brand new SCX with a 1.24 SC Lower, motor just dynoed out @ 1078hp and 998ftlbs torque we will see how it holds up, but I did have a MMW which I blew up, broke clutch shafts but believe it or not I never had a lower gear set fail, and that was babying the drive so we will see how it acts this summer, the drive will be tested in a few weeks and then its off to Desert Storm...
You better make sure everything is running superb. I want to go for a ride in the "Bayou Blaster" it should be a lot of fun once you get it set-up and tested out.
Do not worry I will have your back here on the West Coast.
April is just around the corner.
KAP
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At this point, if you want to run a spacer between a SCX upper, and a SC lower, then your only option is to use the lower unit vertical conversion shaft, an SC spacer, and a SCX longer coupler. When not using a spacer, you can just use IMCO's SCX to SC conversion coupler.
Because of when I originally purchased my SCX upper, I installed the conversion lower shaft into my SC lower. They did not have the conversion coupler available at that time. I will be trying my drive with, and without a 1/2 inch SC spacer... I also have a 1/2 longer SCX coupler.
I should be getting my motor back from Dustin in about a week. The motor is dynoing at just a hair over 930 horsepower. I will definately let you guys know how the outdrive combo holds up in my 28 ft Nordic Heat.
Hoping to cross over the century mark in my little, open bow, innertubing boat.
Chris
Because of when I originally purchased my SCX upper, I installed the conversion lower shaft into my SC lower. They did not have the conversion coupler available at that time. I will be trying my drive with, and without a 1/2 inch SC spacer... I also have a 1/2 longer SCX coupler.
I should be getting my motor back from Dustin in about a week. The motor is dynoing at just a hair over 930 horsepower. I will definately let you guys know how the outdrive combo holds up in my 28 ft Nordic Heat.
Hoping to cross over the century mark in my little, open bow, innertubing boat.
Chris
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At this point, if you want to run a spacer between a SCX upper, and a SC lower, then your only option is to use the lower unit vertical conversion shaft, an SC spacer, and a SCX longer coupler. When not using a spacer, you can just use IMCO's SCX to SC conversion coupler.
Because of when I originally purchased my SCX upper, I installed the conversion lower shaft into my SC lower. They did not have the conversion coupler available at that time. I will be trying my drive with, and without a 1/2 inch SC spacer... I also have a 1/2 longer SCX coupler.
I should be getting my motor back from Dustin in about a week. The motor is dynoing at just a hair over 930 horsepower. I will definately let you guys know how the outdrive combo holds up in my 28 ft Nordic Heat.
Hoping to cross over the century mark in my little, open bow, innertubing boat.
Chris
Because of when I originally purchased my SCX upper, I installed the conversion lower shaft into my SC lower. They did not have the conversion coupler available at that time. I will be trying my drive with, and without a 1/2 inch SC spacer... I also have a 1/2 longer SCX coupler.
I should be getting my motor back from Dustin in about a week. The motor is dynoing at just a hair over 930 horsepower. I will definately let you guys know how the outdrive combo holds up in my 28 ft Nordic Heat.
Hoping to cross over the century mark in my little, open bow, innertubing boat.
Chris
I think your SCX to SC lower combination will work for your HP output. The lower gear set is the weak link in that combination some people never have trouble with the lower--- I did.
The issues really develop when you have over 998HP and matching torque. 26Redline will be a good test case for this drive as he runs it hard but not necessarily abusive and he is running substantial HP/Torque output in his boat.
I expect no drop in top end speed with this application even though the gears are bigger in the upper---parasitic drag or not when your putting out over 1000HP the boat is gonna fly---generally speaking I know of some boats which are pigs.
I would like to hear someone banging on one of these with a 1200HP big cube motor and medium weight cat to give us a review. I know 26Redline will have a verdict for us when he gets done with the upcoming summer season.
KAP
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