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TW720HVY 07-18-2012 06:00 PM

What Is Going On With Our IMCO Lower
 
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What Is Going On With Our IMCO Lower? After we ran a poker run I noticed on our lower IMCO. Any ideas what it is or what could be causing it? Or is this normal?

Thanks in advance.

JRider 07-18-2012 06:22 PM

Cavitation burn?

TW720HVY 07-18-2012 07:00 PM

Someone said that today as well.

What would cause that?

Griswald 07-18-2012 07:09 PM

are you talking about the circle spot on the side of the gear case? I ran mine for a bit the first time and it has the exact same thing

TW720HVY 07-18-2012 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by Griswald (Post 3733613)
are you talking about the circle spot on the side of the gear case? I ran mine for a bit the first time and it has the exact same thing

I am looking at the top and forward portion of the IMCO lower.

Griswald 07-18-2012 09:41 PM

couldn't tell if that was flash reflection or not. Mine certainly isn't doing that. does your drive sit that low in the water when on plane?

TW720HVY 07-19-2012 07:11 AM

The X dimension 15.5" and there is also an IMCO extension box with this set up.

I know the X dimension isn't the best I know but would it really lead to this? Is there a cavitation plate add on or alteration that could me made?

osur866 07-20-2012 04:44 AM

Mine has done the same thing, I suspect eletrolysis as the issue, was it left in the water for a couple days? I also have a pretty deep X without an extension box, I've seen this on others too

c_deezy 07-20-2012 05:00 AM

I would agree with electrolysis. When it's down in the normal position that would put it pretty close to your mercathode on the bottom of the drive housing, perhaps that is what is causing it.


Originally Posted by osur866 (Post 3734778)
Mine has done the same thing, I suspect eletrolysis as the issue, was it left in the water for a couple days? I also have a pretty deep X without an extension box, I've seen this on others too


thirdchildhood 07-20-2012 07:58 AM

The circles on the side are normal and they are welds that are made after it is cast. They all have them. As to the damage at the front; IDK. Is it corroding? Maybe it was welded up there for some reason.

TW720HVY 07-20-2012 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by c_deezy (Post 3734780)
I would agree with electrolysis. When it's down in the normal position that would put it pretty close to your mercathode on the bottom of the drive housing, perhaps that is what is causing it.


I spoke with IMCO yesterday and they said it was cavitation burn after they looked at these pictures. Somehow the water coming off the hull and/or extension box is causing this.

So is there a fix?

I also thought it had something to do with electrolysis since it was close to that plate. But when it was taken out the water after three days there was no material or white flakes in the area like on the cathodes.

So is there a fix?

TW720HVY 08-01-2012 08:19 AM

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Here is a picture of everything with the drive down.

Any suggestions on what could be causing this or how to fix it? Or, is this really common and I shouldn't worry about it?

Thanks

ThisIsLivin 08-01-2012 08:35 AM

I disagree with the cavitation burn, I've had cavitation burn on both outboard lowers and my B1. Cavitation burn is caused by extreme low pressure, so you wouldn't see it on a leading edge. It's much more common at the rear of the drive close to the prop and on B1's it's more common on the skeg. How fast do you run?

thirdchildhood 08-01-2012 08:36 AM

Strange place for cavitation burn. You could try sharpening the leading edge like this:
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/x...s796Medium.jpg

TW720HVY 08-03-2012 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by ThisIsLivin (Post 3743421)
I disagree with the cavitation burn, I've had cavitation burn on both outboard lowers and my B1. Cavitation burn is caused by extreme low pressure, so you wouldn't see it on a leading edge. It's much more common at the rear of the drive close to the prop and on B1's it's more common on the skeg. How fast do you run?

Thank you for the reply guys. I am not running all that fast, 68-69. The first time I noticed it was after a poker run on Lake of the Ozarks.

What could have or is causing this? Could it be electrical?

Also does anyone have a picture of cavitation burn?

TW720HVY 08-03-2012 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3743423)
Strange place for cavitation burn. You could try sharpening the leading edge like this:
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/x...s796Medium.jpg


What would be the best way to sharpen the leading edge (tools, cutting)? The last thing I want to do is F it and cause a bigger problem.

Turbojack 08-03-2012 09:31 PM

Were you running a lot of trim? Could the trim angle cause the low pressure area?

TW720HVY 08-03-2012 10:53 PM

I do have to run a lot of trim to get the bow up. The prop is out getting re-worked hopefully this will help with the bow lift.

Tinkerer 08-04-2012 10:14 AM

Your running that drive too deep - I would raise the drive. It will improve your top end and the boat will handle better at speed because you won't have to trim as high.

thirdchildhood 08-04-2012 12:21 PM

This is cav burn on an Imco shorty. I worked mine with sanding discs and scotchbrite discs with an air grinder. Then I went over the whole thing with sandpaper. I also welded up 3/4 inch of the rear of the water inlet and opened it up to the front. I added a slight bevel at the rear of the inlet to lower water pressure and stop the cav burn. I'll try to attach a pic of a Wilson blueprinted lower also.
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/x...s750Medium.jpg
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/x...oblueprint.jpg

TW720HVY 08-06-2012 06:45 AM

Thanks for the picture. I do not want that to start happening anytime soon!

Is there a speed that this becomes more prevalent or can it happen anytime?

What grit sandpaper did you use?

Does blueprinting the lower get rid of the potential of cavitation burn?

Thank you for the help!

thirdchildhood 08-06-2012 11:13 AM

That pic is what usually happens when you run positive trim with an Imco shorty. I've looked at a lot of them and most had the burn there to some degree. Wilson says that they can get you 2-3 mph with their blueprinting. I tried to copy their work but it is not truly blueprinted so speed gain was minimal. I was more out to fix the cav burn issue so I had the burn welded up and the rear of the water inlet welded up. I streamlined the angle of the bullet quite a bit too. The scotchbrite pads will clean up the entire surface pretty nicely. I followed up with 320 grit wet sandpaper. IDK what is going on with yours but it doesn't look like cav burn to me and your drive doesn't look too low to me. A close up high resolution pic of your problem spot might tell more.

As far as the speed, IDK. I do know that the damage in my picture happens when I trim up to get maximum speed which on my boat is 83-85 mph.

VetteLT193 08-06-2012 03:18 PM

I wonder if you are trimmed in such a way, at a certain speed (not necessarily top speed) that water is hitting the top of the lower and running over it... that would cause the low pressure area.

Is there anything in the way to cause a strange water disturbance going to the drive? water pickup, tranducer, etc.

TW720HVY 08-07-2012 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3747156)
That pic is what usually happens when you run positive trim with an Imco shorty. I've looked at a lot of them and most had the burn there to some degree. Wilson says that they can get you 2-3 mph with their blueprinting. I tried to copy their work but it is not truly blueprinted so speed gain was minimal. I was more out to fix the cav burn issue so I had the burn welded up and the rear of the water inlet welded up. I streamlined the angle of the bullet quite a bit too. The scotchbrite pads will clean up the entire surface pretty nicely. I followed up with 320 grit wet sandpaper. IDK what is going on with yours but it doesn't look like cav burn to me and your drive doesn't look too low to me. A close up high resolution pic of your problem spot might tell more.

As far as the speed, IDK. I do know that the damage in my picture happens when I trim up to get maximum speed which on my boat is 83-85 mph.

Thanks for the additional information. I will try to get a high res close up and post it.

In the meantime I will look into the Wilson blue printing, maybe this will be a good, do I dare say, winter project.




Originally Posted by VetteLT193 (Post 3747335)
I wonder if you are trimmed in such a way, at a certain speed (not necessarily top speed) that water is hitting the top of the lower and running over it... that would cause the low pressure area.

Is there anything in the way to cause a strange water disturbance going to the drive? water pickup, tranducer, etc.

I was told to install a flush drain plug in the box. The person who suggested this is on a race team. I wonder if that is causing a slight disturbance? Other than that there is nothing else down there.

thirdchildhood 08-07-2012 03:30 PM

I talked to a guy at Wilson and they are the real deal. They are set up to give a quick turnaround and won't take your drive unless they are ready to do the work immediately. A single is $2,000 I believe. I wanted to do it but with business down this summer I decided to give mine a go myself. http://www.wilsoncustommarine.com/Page_2_6OGO.html

TW720HVY 08-07-2012 06:10 PM

Thanks for the link.

TW720HVY 11-19-2012 08:27 AM

Update....

I unplugged the Mercathode and it stopped. The boat hasn't been in the water for more than 3 days straight for a long weekend. Still kind of confused but at least I isolated the cause for now.

osur866 11-20-2012 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by TW720HVY (Post 3817851)
Update....

I unplugged the Mercathode and it stopped. The boat hasn't been in the water for more than 3 days straight for a long weekend. Still kind of confused but at least I isolated the cause for now.

Interesting, mine looks the same, as I've stated no extension box and don't have to run excessive trim, I might try unplugging mine as well

Baja_man 11-20-2012 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by TW720HVY (Post 3817851)
Update....

I unplugged the Mercathode and it stopped. The boat hasn't been in the water for more than 3 days straight for a long weekend. Still kind of confused but at least I isolated the cause for now.

Good to hear! Have you any ideas on how to squeeze a few more MPH out of it?

TW720HVY 11-22-2012 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by Baja_man (Post 3818442)
Good to hear! Have you any ideas on how to squeeze a few more MPH out of it?

Short of putting a Whipple on her, no. :angry-smiley-038::lolhit:


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