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captbones 12-17-2013 05:21 PM

XR Value
 
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I have an XR outdrive with sportmaster lower on it. What are these things worth. It has low hours < 20 with imco steering cap and drive shower. Ratio is 1.35.

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captbones 12-18-2013 10:16 AM

Thanks for the reply.

05 Fountain 12-18-2013 10:23 AM

Anymore pics of the drive/lower unit?? Is it a nosed coned sportmaster lower??

smokin' gun 12-18-2013 10:46 AM

We'll let me tell u if it's 2 grand I'll take it

captbones 12-18-2013 11:00 AM

Lol. I hear ya smokin gun. No it won't be for sale for 2 grand.

captbones 12-18-2013 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by 05 Fountain (Post 4043749)
Anymore pics of the drive/lower unit?? Is it a nosed coned sportsmaster lower??



This is a coned lower with the low water pickup for high speed application. It came off a 260 velocity thoroughbred, replaced by a bmaxx after an engine upgrade.

thirdchildhood 12-18-2013 11:20 AM

5g if as represented. These old style uppers have an issue with the input shaft brg pre-load nut backing off and should be hard shimmed. The gears should be inspected by pulling the rear cover and there should be no play in the input shaft. Most might want the 1.5 gear ratio though.

captbones 12-18-2013 11:47 AM

Thanks thirdchildhood for the great info..

Griff 12-19-2013 02:10 AM

Before a fair market value can be determined, it needs to be verified that it is an XR drive and has a Sportmaster lower and has the low hours claimed.

What is the serial number on the drive???? and why is there a board covering the front of the lower???

Its worth somewhere between $1500 and 5k depending on what can be verified.

captbones 12-19-2013 09:43 AM

Griff thanks for the post. This is just an inquiry not an advertisement for sale. That is why the picture is how it is just quick thank you slam bam pic. I am going to post some other pics today and you guys can give it a look over. This drive came with a boat purchase and only used to test the boat out so I cannot not verify the hours myself and only went with what the owner told me and what a mechanic thought when he looks at the boat for me before buying.

jbraun2828 12-19-2013 09:54 AM

Are you sure it's a xr? From the pic it looks like a bravo 1

Fenderjack 12-19-2013 10:27 AM

Some drives have no # on them.They can be ID by a visual inspection. Angle of the gears and type of retainer on the input to verify it is a X style case.JOHN SR

Biggus 12-19-2013 10:55 AM

Would never pay 5k for a used XR when new ones can typically be found for 6500. (brand new uppers were on here last Summer for 3500) I've got two spares so I can rotate them as they wear, (pull the magnets and swap out when it looks like a Chia Pet)

They just have such a short lifespan that most (if not all) used XR's need work. (mine show heavy wear at 35 hrs...) Even if you do all your own work as I do, parts are rediculouly expensive. Just the parts to freshen up a lower are @ 1200 or so. Uppers can run @ 3k. Yeah, I've bought used drives but you just got to get them cheap and assume eveything inside is toast as more often than not it is. Even @ 35 hrs...

eddie 12-19-2013 11:08 AM

I've had a good XR with a standard lower and some Bmax shafts for sale for $5,000.00 and no hits on it.

Wildman_grafix 12-19-2013 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Biggus (Post 4044349)
Would never pay 5k for a used XR when new ones can typically be found for 6500. (brand new uppers were on here last Summer for 3500) I've got two spares so I can rotate them as they wear, (pull the magnets and swap out when it looks like a Chia Pet)

They just have such a short lifespan that most (if not all) used XR's need work. (mine show heavy wear at 35 hrs...) Even if you do all your own work as I do, parts are rediculouly expensive. Just the parts to freshen up a lower are @ 1200 or so. Uppers can run @ 3k. Yeah, I've bought used drives but you just got to get them cheap and assume eveything inside is toast as more often than not it is. Even @ 35 hrs...

After a few years of that RIK's conversion kit doesn't look so bad.

captbones 12-19-2013 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Biggus (Post 4044349)
Would never pay 5k for a used XR when new ones can typically be found for 6500. (brand new uppers were on here last Summer for 3500) I've got two spares so I can rotate them as they wear, (pull the magnets and swap out when it looks like a Chia Pet)

They just have such a short lifespan that most (if not all) used XR's need work. (mine show heavy wear at 35 hrs...) Even if you do all your own work as I do, parts are rediculouly expensive. Just the parts to freshen up a lower are @ 1200 or so. Uppers can run @ 3k. Yeah, I've bought used drives but you just got to get them cheap and assume eveything inside is toast as more often than not it is. Even @ 35 hrs...


That is why I went with a bmax..... Why rebuild and spend the time when new ones can be bought for only a couple hundred more? I was thinking about just keeping as a spare in case crap happens and if there is not value I will keep it for just that. The serial number was checked and believed to be an XR according to mercrusierparts.com site listing. I am going to pull the cap and check the gears as well to see how they are cut. A very reliable source on here gave me the info on how to verify and end the debate.

BLUEMAGIC 12-19-2013 06:35 PM

+1 for the price they want for xr's compared to bravo1's it almost doesnt seem worth it. with the short life span of xr gears next to the cost for parts alone to rebuild them everyother season doesnt seem cost effective. grant it if you drive the boat like you own it and don't air it out you will keep it alive much longer. However when both bravo1's and xr's have a limited life span behind big power why spend thousand more for the 10 or so hours an xr may or may not get you. If your going to spend the money you might as well get it over with and buy the sixs, Bmax, or the best, arneson's. Just my two cents

eddie 12-19-2013 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by BLUEMAGIC (Post 4044586)
+1 for the price they want for xr's compared to bravo1's it almost doesnt seem worth it. with the short life span of xr gears next to the cost for parts alone to rebuild them everyother season doesnt seem cost effective. grant it if you drive the boat like you own it and don't air it out you will keep it alive much longer. However when both bravo1's and xr's have a limited life span behind big power why spend thousand more for the 10 or so hours an xr may or may not get you. If your going to spend the money you might as well get it over with and buy the sixs, Bmax, or the best, arneson's. Just my two cents

Complete bravo's down here have been selling for $900.00 on Craig's list. I could blow a ton of them up for the cost of one XR! You make a good point!

Fenderjack 12-19-2013 06:57 PM

So someone is thinking of buying XR's has a 32' whatever and is going to put a little power in it.To save from the problems he MAY have with stock bravo's or XR.He should go to B max #6's or Arneson's .$15,000 boat $20,000 st of motors.And so he doesn't have any problems with drives a 50,000 st of # 6's Sounds logical to me.

bwd 12-19-2013 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by Biggus (Post 4044349)
Would never pay 5k for a used XR when new ones can typically be found for 6500. (brand new uppers were on here last Summer for 3500) I've got two spares so I can rotate them as they wear, (pull the magnets and swap out when it looks like a Chia Pet)

They just have such a short lifespan that most (if not all) used XR's need work. (mine show heavy wear at 35 hrs...) Even if you do all your own work as I do, parts are rediculouly expensive. Just the parts to freshen up a lower are @ 1200 or so. Uppers can run @ 3k. Yeah, I've bought used drives but you just got to get them cheap and assume eveything inside is toast as more often than not it is. Even @ 35 hrs...

I'm glad you said it Kurt. These things are just not worth much especially in a used form. It's a crap shoot at best buying this stuff online, you just don't know what's goin on inside. So some mechanic 1500 miles away says it's in good shape. SO! Is he going to give you our cash back? I bet the seller sure as heck won't. Even though I have bought new uppers for 3900, I always tend to look for cases for cheap and buy new from there. Even that can be risky. Last year I bought a case in NY for 500 that wound up being a bit more banged up than I thought.
Engines too. If you or a reputable shop didn't built it, how do you know? Buyers beware

BLUEMAGIC 12-19-2013 08:33 PM

Fenderjack, I agree with what you are saying 110 percent, i was just stating my oppinion that you can run with bravo1's for a while and blow a handfull of them up before you reach the price of an xr witch can commonly give you just as many hours of life as the bravo1. saying that just seems to make sense to run the standered bravo1 instead of the xr unless your wallet can float the Bmax, six's or arnesons . just a thought

Fenderjack 12-19-2013 10:31 PM

I agree with you and not here to debate what drive is better. You are correct in your statement.So we agree on that.But the thing is !. The guy just asked what we all thought what his XR was worth.Threads just tend to stray far the original questions. JOHN SR

captbones 12-20-2013 02:37 AM

Thanks Fenderjack for getting control here. We are talking about performance boating here. Speed costs money, we all know this. Some guys use the drive just for that and know that they are gonna give a some point but choose this drive over say a bmax cause this is their belief. They also blueprint and pay a ****load of money for that which in most cases voids any warranty as metal is shaved and reshaped. The cost of trying to be the fastest. If i decide to sell great if not it will be because of the info I have gathered on here to help make a good decision. I know many people who have shown interest to what price I don't know at this point and it doesn't matter. Bottom line is nothing is guaranteed when you start creeping over say 80mph in most boats. I know guys that have had big cigs with XR's and plenty of HP to roll all day everyday with no problems. As someone said if you drive like a maniac better have a big check book. If you want longevity couple your bravo up to a stock 454 and roll on. I know having a single screw I don't want to be breaking down and blowing through bravos relying on towboat or a buddy to tow me in. It is just a shame the merc did not make these a little more resilient or did they?

Fenderjack, you can roll with me any day bud. As long as my drive holds up! Lol

GAZ 12-22-2013 08:33 AM

I think bottom line is your drive is worth whatever someone may pay for it from 1500-6000. Depends on what they know about XRs and what there previous experience has been with them. Personally I would not buy one. But I do have one to sell with blown up uppers and a snapped vertical shaft.

eddie 12-22-2013 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by GAZ (Post 4045854)
I think bottom line is your drive is worth whatever someone may pay for it from 1500-6000. Depends on what they know about XRs and what there previous experience has been with them. Personally I would not buy one. But I do have one to sell with blown up uppers and a snapped vertical shaft.

I would be interested in the upper case and prop shaft if you want to sell them and they are good.

GAZ 12-22-2013 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by eddie (Post 4045859)
I would be interested in the upper case and prop shaft if you want to sell them and they are good.

It's all in a crate. (The one my SCX came in) I'll sell it all. Don't want to part it out. NO Guaranty's or Warranty's. I know the uppers are trash and the vertical shaft is snapped.

thirdchildhood 12-22-2013 09:46 AM

I'm the one who threw the $5,000 figure out there but I said "if as represented". That is, less than 20 hours, Imco steering cap, shower, sportmaster lower. Taking his word on that, don't insult the seller with offers under $2,000!

GAZ 12-22-2013 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 4045877)
I'm the one who threw the $5,000 figure out there but I said "if as represented". That is, less than 20 hours, Imco steering cap, shower, sportmaster lower. Taking his word on that, don't insult the seller with offers under $2,000!

Not sure who this comment is aimed at. But no insult intended from me.

Bawana 12-25-2013 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Coast Mar Exp (Post 4043643)
From just looking at the picture and not seeing what it looks like internally fair market value should be right around $2,000.00.

At $ 2000.00 , with less then 20 hours ? I'll take as many as you can find. Oh wait... you wont find any that cheap!

ICDEDPPL 12-26-2013 05:59 PM

I sold a fresh 0 hour rebuilt with new gears XR upper for $3400 last year

jvthundercat 12-26-2013 08:31 PM

Wow. With all the answers on here, I guess I will take the XR's I bought and take them in for salvage and just buy some Bravo I's that someone has put 600 plus hp hammering the throttle on.


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