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Old 06-24-2018 | 09:43 AM
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Do you have the proper service manuals to help with diagnostics ? so was power still on when you were changing out sensor(s) and the PCM. hopefully you did not put a known good pcm on the bad engine ??? HUGE MISTAKE to do that. You test the other way around - bad engine PCM on good motor - there is a reason for that keeping known good PCM's alive.

Also code 133 is NOT a fault code anyone thinks it is. Code 133 is the 5 V power low- Meaning this is the 5 V power that supplies all the sensors its 5V reference so that code actually means Excessive current draw on the 5 V circuit in return means sensor(s) and or the circuit shorted to ground. So whats unplug or shorted ?

Just asking is your app DTS ? I do not think it is but still a ?
Ok....so there's 3 wires in the plug that plug into the TPS sensor, a black/purple, a blue, and a grey. On the engine that runs test continuity on all 3 wires black/purple goes to ground, on blue and grey OL (open)
On engine that won't run the grey wire goes to ground. So where does grey wire go?
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Old 06-24-2018 | 01:32 PM
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you will need to post both of engine serial numbers. many things change thru out the years with the 496 including the wiring harness. 10 pin went to a 14 pin harness. Also possible on your app one engine might be older than the other. --- I Have no idea unless I was looking at them and or run the engine serial numbers.

Also are the engines totally stock apps ??? If not what is the set up - in detailed info.

from the start of the 496 birth the that last production day end of the 496 Marine side - I prob can list over 100 different things how the 496 changed thru out the years. -- actually easily way over a 100 things changed for the 496 marine application thru out the years.

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Old 06-24-2018 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BUP
you will need to post both of engine serial numbers. many things change thru out the years with the 496 including the wiring harness. 10 pin went to a 14 pin harness. Also possible on your app one engine might be older than the other. --- I Have no idea unless I was looking at them and or run the engine serial numbers.

Also are the engines totally stock apps ??? If not what is the set up - in detailed info.

from the start of the 496 birth the that last production day end of the 496 Marine side - I prob can list over 100 different things how the 496 changed thru out the years. -- actually easily way over a 100 things changed for the 496 marine application thru out the years.
So my 496 mag ho is the 0M0000000. Today I checked ever PCM pin on both engines and the checked out the same EXCEPT 5 V on good engine and only 3 V on other for what I believe is the 5v system. The only other discrepancy is I have a ground on the good engine at TPS sensor (black and purple with) with the key on and no ground on same wire on bad engine
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Old 06-25-2018 | 07:25 AM
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The spark with nothing on concerns me, maybe the battery charger

So far as the beeps, I would connect a meter to the 5V circuit, then start unplugging some of the sensors, water pressure, water temp, IAC, TPS and just turn ignition to ON. When the shorted sensor is unhooked, the voltage will go up to 5V
So in my 5v system I have 3 volts on the 5 volt line and 2 volts on the ground line . Is it s sensor? Is it a bad ground?
If it was a short in a sensor wouldn't I have continuity on the 5v line to ground?
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Old 06-25-2018 | 07:33 AM
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So in my 5v system I have 3 volts on the 5 volt line and 2 volts on the ground line . Is it s sensor? Is it a bad ground?
If it was a short in a sensor wouldn't I have continuity on the 5v line to ground?
The "short" term is meant to indicate something is drawing enough current to drop the reference voltage below the standard or 5V in this case. Same goes with a starter motor and the battery. If the starter pulls more current when cranking the motor, voltage will drop further down. So there is something in the 5V circuit which is pulling more current then normal which is dropping the voltage to 3V, but is not a dea short which would pull down to 0V if not blow a fuse when doing so.

If it was a bad ground the voltage would show full 5V and there would be a code for the bad sensor for not providing the correct range voltage back to the ECM
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Old 06-25-2018 | 05:29 PM
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The "short" term is meant to indicate something is drawing enough current to drop the reference voltage below the standard or 5V in this case. Same goes with a starter motor and the battery. If the starter pulls more current when cranking the motor, voltage will drop further down. So there is something in the 5V circuit which is pulling more current then normal which is dropping the voltage to 3V, but is not a dea short which would pull down to 0V if not blow a fuse when doing so.

If it was a bad ground the voltage would show full 5V and there would be a code for the bad sensor for not providing the correct range voltage back to the ECM
So why is the 2 of my 5v in the ground line and 3v in the 5v grey line? Has to be a sensor right. Will a laptop program show which sensor is bad? Or will they all have funny readings because there's only 3v running through the system?
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Old 06-25-2018 | 06:47 PM
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So why is the 2 of my 5v in the ground line and 3v in the 5v grey line?
This is not real clear but I think your saying that 2 of the 5V lines are at 3V and others are at 5V?

If this is the case then there is either a break in the grey wire splice, or if they are all 3V then there is either one or more sensors drawing to much current.

Has to be a sensor right. Will a laptop program show which sensor is bad? Or will they all have funny readings because there's only 3v running through the system?
The software is looking at info supplied by the ECM, and if all the Gray wires are low then it will say all sensors have bad readings (so to speak)

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Old 06-25-2018 | 07:27 PM
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The "short" term is meant to indicate something is drawing enough current to drop the reference voltage below the standard or 5V in this case. Same goes with a starter motor and the battery. If the starter pulls more current when cranking the motor, voltage will drop further down. So there is something in the 5V circuit which is pulling more current then normal which is dropping the voltage to 3V, but is not a dea short which would pull down to 0V if not blow a fuse when doing so.

If it was a bad ground the voltage would show full 5V and there would be a code for the bad sensor for not providing the correct range voltage back to the ECM
Yes all sensors I have found so far only have 3volts. TPS, map, the one going in outdrive, iac, crankshaft, Now I just have to find the rest if I can get to them. With that schematic I now know all 5v system sensors. When I unplugged the bad sensor I should get my 5volts back. Thank you so much for the info!

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Old 06-25-2018 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ShouldBFarmin
So in my 5v system I have 3 volts on the 5 volt line and 2 volts on the ground line . Is it s sensor? Is it a bad ground?
If you're measuring that correctly only one thing can cause 2 volts on a ground line and that's a bad ground. Ground should be ground. I'd focus on that..

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Old 06-25-2018 | 08:04 PM
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If you're measuring that correctly only one thing can cause 2 volts on a ground line and that's a bad ground. Ground should be ground. I'd focus on that..
Or a short to ground in a sensor right? If sensor is bad it will put voltage in gound line
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