30 Eliminator Daytona twin Raylars @103mph!
 

Just thought I would let a big cat out of the bag! Today at Havasu, a particular twin 496HO equipped 30 Daytona that was running honest 85 mph before two Raylar kits today made its way across the lake with 95 degree air temps at 103mph GPS with the 32P Bravo ones still on the rev limiter at 5150 RPM! Not to say the least the owner and Raylar are off the wall excited with the results. These motors just had our BCK103 kits and stock exhaust. If one does the math, the savings over HP525's is huge with the same boat performance and according to this months Powerboat magazine probably a big difference in insurance costs also.
I think I'll just go sit on my deck and smile!
Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

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sit on your deck and think of what you can do for us guys that have already got the 525 efis. :D

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the boat will run 100mph with stock 496ho's! what am i missing? The same boat with 525's will run 115-120mph.If the boat only ran 85 before there must have been something wrong! Like 10 people on board or something!

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They don't really have the prop situation dialed in on this boat yet. I know back in 2002 they had a 30 eliminator Daytona that ran 103 on stock 496HO's suppossedly , I don't know the test condtions, temperature, drive ratio, humidity etc. I have heard of these 30 foot Daytonas with HP525's running 107 -108 mph but not any doing 115-120mph onGPS or radar certified. I know Mr Bob Leach himself is involved in the "dialing in" of this particular boat so there must be some real interest and importance in our results. This test was done with two people aboard and about 100 gallons of gas an, customers gear and folded bimini, etc. I would like to hear from a 30 foot Daytona owner with stock 496HO's who is really seeing 103 mph in fresh smooth lake water. I am sure salt water, cool temps and a slight chop would have brought the boat up two to three mph. Time will obviously tell as this boat is checked out better in the prop and X height and weight area.

I really like it when we get questioned, it just makes us try harder. Sucess is its best reward!

Ray @ Raylar

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I WAS THERE THE DAY OF THE 103 RUN, WE WERE AT THE DEALER MEETING BOAT IS A KEVLAR HULL WITH 36 PITCH PROPS ON LAKE MEAD ABOUT 95 DEGREES BOAT ALSO HAD MERC ITS EXTENTION BOXES WE RAN BOAT ABOUT 101 WITH FUEL AND 2 OTHERS IN BOAT. JERRY MAY PULLED THE 103 (HE IS THE MAN) :drink:

IT WAS AGREAT ACCOMPLISMENT FOR ELIMINATOR AND MERCURY STILL A RECORD HOLER WITH TWIN 496s

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MY 30 RAN 109 WITH 500HPs AND 5 OTHERS IN BOAT. GREAT CONDITIONS LITTLE CHOP. :evilb:

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wait till you put some cmi's on it! With those 496's breathing it should do alot better. Some of the 30's had a lower x dimension which caused a little slower speed but much better planning time. we have had 28' daytonas that run 105 out of the box with a high x and it takes a while to get on plane with 32p bravos. go to 30p bravos and the boat will run at 98 all day long and come out of the water like a ski boat. There are always tradeoffs.

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PowerboatsNW

What have you found the ideal "X" is on 28 TD with boxes. Mine are 1" below the bottom of the boat and seem to be holding it back. They came from the factory even, but dropped 1" when I installed imco boxes.

Thanks in advace for your input.

36 Bravos are fast props after you get on plane.... :p

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115 to 120 on 525's?????? Must be special water or something. My friends 30 went 104 best on 500's and now runs 115 on merc 575sc's.

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This is just what I am talking about here. I am certainly not on this thread to critisize or question the Eliminator Daytonas, they are Awesome boats and have proved themselves as just such! The problem that has risen is that several people who bought the 30's with stock 496HO's have not been able to see the 100mph plus numbers. I think the lightened weight of the Kevlar hull specially built test boat, with the Merc ITS extensions that were on the boat and not available with the 496 package coupled with a expierenced raceboat driver and ideal conditions created the 103MPH number the boat hit in the test, which was an awesome result and was real. Our job was to get an average production 30' Eliminator up over 100MPH, and we did that! This is sometimes an industry problem, builders and engine and drive manufacturers get a little "outside the box" in buildups and rigging to achieve a fantastic result that is hard to recreate economicaly or repeatably in production of the shelf conditions.Yet the marketing people want to latch on to these results to obviously help sell boats and magazines to the high performance boating community. Let's face it tits the excitement and enthusiasm of a 100mph boat is what sells these boats! The other sometimes obvious condition is that most boat owners want their boat faster than it really is and their tests of top speed always seems to get a little "fudge" on the high side for bragging rights. This customer boat is still having the problem of being difficult to get up on plane quickly under heavy load and this is because when she comes up and starts to roll down the extra horsepower with the 32P Bravo 1's, the props start to blow out. She will still hit the top speed number and acceleration numbers on plane no problem. When we turn up the rev limiter past 5150 and lab the props I am pretty sure it will see another 3-4 mph. I am pretty sure that with a little refinement to prop setup and possible X-height adjustments that this planning problem will be solved and the stock production 30' and 33' Eliminator Daytonas will be honest 100mph + boats with Raylar HO525's (496HO's with 103 kits), normal loads, average conditions and good recreational drivers. If we
deliver this, mission accomplished!!

Thanks for your input and thoughts!

Ray @ Raylar

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All The 28's we have built did not have boxes. we have built 3 o6's so far and all ran between 102-105mph with 32p bravo's. The better set up is to run the 30p bravos and run high 90's everytime and plane easy. For your box question, ask jerry or john at eliminator. 951-681-1222 joe

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Yes, It must be special water! It could be that our showroom is 10 feet from the water and we test 200+ days a year! All these numbers are facts supported by gps. If anyone would like to make a small or large wager (bet) We can support it that way also. we'll be happy to back it up! BRING CASH!

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Ray I spoke with the editor of extreme boats the other day and told him I would like to see some of your test results. Your the kind of person that improves our industry. If I had ordered my daytona with the 496 than I would already have been calling you for the upgrade, but I have gotten the 525 efi . When are you going to help ME !!!!

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Ray, sounds like your firm is dedicated to raising the performance for the 496 owners. Have you tried any 5 blade hydromotives to eliminate your prop blowout issues? I run a 28 daytona td with twin 625 hp motors, imco boxes and shorties and had planning issues with 32p bravos labbed and unlabbed. The labbed prop actually had bigger issues blowing out when planning. The hydro 30p 5 blade p5x has produced the best all around results from start to finish. My experience with the daytonas is the setup is absolutely vital to top performance. Keep up the good work.......

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Fastcash:

Thanks for the headsup! When it comes to motors, I feel pretty comfortable, but in props I am not that well educated so its great to get your expierence. Its obvious that in any performance engine power upgrade the extra power is only half the equation. I have personally noticed when driving a lot of these bigger cats, lets say 28' to 36' that with higher engine power the increase in prop pitch lets say above 30P leaves some of these boats struggling to get up on plane quickly. I was thinking that the 5 blade might be the answer, but I have had some who tell me you should'nt run a 5 blade on a cat hull. Its good to know you have had great results. I am going to recommend that the owner try a set of those P5x's and see if it helps. I have heard that the top speed is only slightly affected sometimes and I think for low end and cruising this would be a much better setup! Its good to know that some of us think outside the box and try new setups. Everyone else in the industry just benefits from the information sharing. Keep it up!

thanks Again!

Ray @ Raylar

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I am happy to report that I own the 2002 30 Daytona that set the record for 103 M.P.H with stock 496 H.O's. Right now I run 32s that Mr Leach had labbed for me. So far I have seen a best speed of 98 M.P.H. by G.P.S. I'm sure that I could hit the 103 mark if I had different props, but I boat on Table Rock Lake in Missouri & would need more open space to get there. I wish I had more room!! Maybe Raylar and myself could do a test with the original Eliminator test boat that hit 103 to see just high fast a 30 Daytona is with their kit??? If interested PM me.

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Love table rock. What a beautiful lake. I have never seen a 30 eliminator on that lake. Is it new there?

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Did you buy your 30 from Bud's Place? If so, I looked at that boat also, very nice. I believe it had the Mercury ITS system. Not enough room on Table Rock to let it all hang out?? I'm pretty sure I saw you on LOTO this past summer near Backwater Jacks. I was running the red and yellow 28 TD. I'd be interested to see what the Raylar's would do in your set up. Good luck...

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It is new to Table Rock Lake This year. I picked it up July 3rd from Buds Place. I didn't know of its famous history until they let me in on it while I was doing the paperwork. They handed me a Powerboat magazine from early 2002 and it had my boat on the front cover! I thought it was a pretty cool bonus for me! I was also won the (C2S2 Class) Shootout at Lake Of The Ozarks this year with it. I wonder if 108 to 110 mph with the Raylar kit installed and correct props is out of the question? Hey Raylar, LETS DO IT!!!

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does anyone have or know anyone that has a whipple on the 525efi? Looking for any problems, results.