UT, In one of elimi pic, in the back gound is a snowmobile in the back of a truck. Can't see it to good with the cover on it. But give you a general ideal what they look like.

elimi
Great looking boat. I love the looks of the eliminators.

Update on water test (how not to do it)
Went to camp out at lake friday pm. In and around rain showers. Got up at 6am saturday in rain, & head to boat ramp. Put in water & started & checked for leaks & ?. All looked OK. Started to get on plan & engine will not get on plane & black smoke comming out exhaust.. Jspeedemmon said when he first started his it was super rich so did not thing much about it. Put back on trailer, back to camp & change jets. Back to water. Motor still loading up but can get it to plane out. Do plug check & way to rich. Back to camp. Change jets. Back to water. Will not idle in gear. Will not run, way to lean. Back to camp. This went on aprox. 8 times. Trip 9 to water I decide to up timing by 2 degrees. As I check where timing is I find that I am going blind. Had timing on TDC instead of 30 BTDC. Retime but now idle is about 1800 rpm. I start to pull box off to set idle & rain hits. Back to camp & wait for rain to stop. Back to water & boat idles but jetting to lean. 12 trips to water & day is over. Sunday morning put in water & boat will not plane outagain, too rich. Rejet. Back to water, try to plan out, boat barely makes it on plan. As coming on plan see no boost. Forgot to put hose on comming out of intercooler to box. Replace hose, & boat planes with no problem. Everthing sounding & looking best it did since starting. Hit throtle & motor raps to 4500rpm instantly but starts banging, plugs fouled from being so rich & timing off. Left extra sets of plugs at house so just cruise around lake. At least I made it to the water, maybe next week.

meyer- this is elimi's wife, we purchased the hull from Eliminator in Mera Loma, California, and we had the motor built in Kelowna,
British Columbia, we live in Vancouver, BC. We are water testing this weekend, so i will remind elimi about your measurement.

turbojack - thanks for the good advice!!!:D

Wow Jack that sounded like one hell of a day. Where are you at on jets, primaries and secondaries? Did you leave or remove the power valves. If you left them in that is why it is so rich, you could try starting out without them, jet with 74-75 on primaries and 83-84 on secondary, that should not be lean, just check and see on ramp, put in gear on ramp in reverse, with trailer in in water just far enough to get water pickups and prop in. A little ramp testing goes a long way, saves you a lot of wasted time. Once you get it close with jetting, then try the power valves, but I don't believe they are going to work unless you send the carbs to Nickerson, that seems to be the consensus. I'll bet the transom sure got blacked up.

Elimi-- Did you buy the sweet looking motor mounts, I love the look, or did they come from Eliminator?

I see on of you guys from NY has your 26' at PRI. As a matter of fact, there are two 26s, one with a whipple and one getting a whipple put on a 500hp.

Both really nice boats.

Turbojack, I have a complete Nickerson motor in my 25 Daytona. I have 6.5 power valves in my primaries and my secondaries have been blocked off. My jetting in primaries are 88s and 94 in secondaries. Perhaps this will assist you in jetting. Another thing to look at is the float levels on your carbs, perhaps they are set too high. If you need more help in tuning, don't hesitate, I will be more than happy to help you. By the way, the jets above were adjusted for boost to kill, jets for low boost are 80s in primaries and 88s in secondaries. Same power valve above 6.5.

Perhaps your power valves may be too big, check them to see 4.5 - 6.5 are the average that I have experienced using. Anything bigger will enrichen the idle circuits. Once plugs are fowled, will not clean up. Replace ASAP. If you need carb work done Nickerson is the man. He will shoot you straight. No BS. Been dealing with him many years and haven't had any problems. If he asks who referred you, tell him Dave from Virginia sent you.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

jspeedemon-the motor mounts were fabricated by Mclean Powerboats in Kelowna ,BC,Canada. They were custom made,fit,then powdercoated,then installed.There is a lot of powder coating on our boat so I thimk the powdercoat shop loved it!
Good eye for detail
UToys-we are thinking about coming down in may for the reggaatttaa-We will book soon as soon as we figure work situation out.Do you thimk the nautical inn will be booked up?
It will be a 24hr drive for us. It could be very scenic.We would need a guide or two to guide us around havasu and town as we have never been to havasu or area. Do you think you could help us out in that matter?

If Uncle Toys replies to being a tour guide, perhaps we can tag along. We booked the Nautical Inn back in December but don't know about availability now.

You could always stay on the boat. :D

Let us know if you want to meet up once we all get there. We are looking to be at Havasu late Wednesday or early Thursday.

Thanks for the jetting info. I left Sunday night with 72 primarys, 8.5 power valves, 88 secondarys. I know the 72's are about perfect for 30-33mph crusing @ aprox 2300 rpm. Do not know how secondary are going to be. I went down to 85 on secondars one time but got scare when I reset timing & backed up to 88. This next weekend I got to go to wedding & will not get to try out but weekend after that I will go camping again & try.

SAM
I have the blowthru twin carb stage 4 procharger setup. What kind of setup do you have?

Elimi & S.A.M. Tour guide – absolutely! I even have a funny little hat to wear. :D Both of you guys, let me know the days you are expecting to be there and we will roll out the red carpet. Are you both trailering your boats out? That’s impressive!:cool: If not, we will try and make room on our boat. Hey STONE, the pressures on.;)

S.A.M. As of this morning, the elevation of Lake Havasu is 448.6 feet above sea level. Click on the ULR below for updates and weather at the Lake.

http://www.coloradoriverinfo.com/waterflowreports/

Jack, the jetting on my boat with M-4 and dual carbs is the same setup as yours except I had to take out the power valves, because they were staying open all the time. Now when Nickerson fixes the carbs for a blow thru, he stated to my buddy who has the twin, he references the power valves to boost instead of vacuum. He has not tested yet, still wainting on exhaust. I'll let you know. From the numbers I would guess SAM is jetting with a single carb. Also remember I talked to the guy that had a 622 M-4 and he ended up with 68 and 84 with power valves, but his carbs had been worked by Nickerson. Yank the power valves, test it on the ramp like I suggested and do a plug reading, I'm sure you'll find it's close. Also remember that if the power valve does not pick up the coprrec t signal it will open or close at the wrong RPM, than when you want it which is top end. It may stay open all of the time or closed all of the time, because of that variable you don't know, so to solve, temporarily remove it from the equation and jet from there. With two 540's running up here very similar jetting, I feel you are not going to burn it up if you are careful, starting from where we are at. Altitude will be the biggest difference in the packages, otherewise they are very close. If you do the ramp test and the motor runs smooth you are not likely to let your emotions run away and nail it before reading the plugs again, I know from personal experience. It's hard to resist the temptation when that motor feels so smooth. Good luck Jack.

OK guys & gals I know we are OT.

Jspeeddemon
Thanks for the info. I did a search on OSO on carbs & jetting & I can not sleep thinking about this. I guess it it better than not sleeping worring about work.

:cool: U.T. we should be arriving on Thursday sometime with our S.A.M. 25 Eliminator. We would be more than happy to have you guide us. We are most excited about this trip, talk about not being able to sleep. Thanks for the altitude info, very helpful.

Jspeeddemon, we have twin Nickerson carbs on our engine application.

Turbojack, we have a 540 with...:D :D :D ok, I can't tell you everything or my wife will take the boat away from me.

TBS, break the code. (If you can figure it out I have to speak in code, she's watching, perhaps she won't know what TBS means.)

Should I be packing more jets? Or do I need more boost?

STONE – I received my garage art yesterday (your post 3/22/02). That was exceptionally nice of you, especially the display case thing - THANKS! It will be on the garage wall next to my glory-day’s pictures in time for the regatta. By the way, how is your boat coming? Are you going to make the regatta? Haven’t seen you on the board for a while.

elmi

Have you tested yet? I am still trying to get jetting correct. Getting close, hopefully this weekend can get some big numbers.


Jspeeddemon

Has your friend gone out yet with his new redone carbs?

He is still waiting on the headers for his boat, supposed to be here today. I will email as soon as i know, I read your post to tomcat, and I assume that you got to ride with some success. Those black plugs are tough to deal with, if you leave power valves in and try jetting down on jet sizes, you will find your power. Certainly if your plugs are black, you don't have to worry about tool lean at this point, just make short bursts of WOT till the plugs clean up. You can't check the plugs too often, till you get the setup correct. The plugs should maximum of tan at WOT, no black whatsoever, it would be nice if you had pyrometers. I can see about a second set of plates for yours, the pyrometer probes and meter is about 300 hundred from Jeg's.

My problem is I am to hard headed. I hear & read what you & everyone says but still have to try it myself. Last trip out last sunday in taking off if I got to far in secondarys motor would fall on face. Once planed off running at 2100 & nailing it the motor would rap to 4K, then start falling off. After backing out it would take a while for motor to clear up. Last trip out was 70 primary, 8.5 PV, & 85 secondary. I rejetted last night down to 83 in secondarys for next try out this saturday. Boat ran with 72 in primary but when I had 74's could not even get it to run. As I posted earlier I am going to take pressure reading in box at all of the RPMS so I will be able to see when power valves are opening. I finally snaped last Sunday that I only need to install 1 new plug each time I do jet change. At least until I start getting close. I am a long way from where procharger said to start & still not there.

jspeeddemon

On plates, are you talking about putting spacer between head & header & putting probes in this spacer? What does that do to the exhaust out the back??? If cost is only $300 for this & you can keep better eye on engine it is cheap insurance compared to tearing up another motor. I rather spend my money on either EFi or something else that to pay to have engine rebuilt from melting down another one. ( Yes, over the last 25 years I have melted down a motor or ????)

Good luck on your tuning- I hate to say it, but boy i like my efi.

Dustin's kit uses a pyro that taps into the manifold at #1 I think. I bet he could set you up with a probe and gage to go with it. I'd rather do that than introduce another gasket to my exhaust system and stretch the plumbing to make up a 1/2".

Again, good luck sorting out the jets!

Cattitude
I have the CMI elbow tops. Will this probe go in this header. There is aprox. 3/7-1" before the pipe is sleaved.

Before I knew that this board existed I was looking at either whipple or procharger. I wanted package to fit under my motor cover & only had 2 choices Whipple quad with EFI or Procharger stage 4 with twin carb. I had called whipple & was given a price in the neighborhood of $14K for the quad rotor, intercooler, & manifold. I was also told I was on my own on getting the EFI to work since they did not want any part of it. I had asked the person who to call but he said did not want to refer anyone.

Turbojack, get rid of all the power valves and install blanks in their place. Install 78's in primaries, 85-86's in secondaries. Being you have blow thru type system the 8.5 power valves are enriching the system. I know it's hard to understand when motor is too rich, it will charge hard to x-amount of rpm and then fall off. 1). Take and run the boat with the 78's in it for 5-10 minutes, take plug reading, don't just check one, check them all. If plugs are black, change them all. Also a sooted plug will change the performance. 2). Run the boat again, this time increase your rpm to 5,000, do that a couple of times, feel how it charges. Take plug reading again, all 8 not just one. I know this is a timely process and I hope while you are trying to do this, you are using premium fuel. Something else you may want to try, is adding a little Cam-2 to your fuel 110 octane and this will prevent detination and give a little color on plugs. Give this a try and I think this will put you close to the ballpark. Have you talked to Nickerson recently? If not, you may want to.

Good luck, be patient!

SAM

fitting a probe
 

TJ- Room may be tight on the CMI's- may ask Dustin hom he does it on his 500 kits. You would need to tig weld a stainless 1/4" pipe bung onto the header- Best to check with Dustin or someone who's installed his HP500efi kit. Good luck!

UT : Hey how are the sons doing.

Update - Getting Closer

Ran boat last weekend same jetting as before. Still rich. Had pressure gauge in box on top of carbs & 1 below carbs (dash boost gauge) While crusing at 2400 rpms (32-35MPH) had 5" vac in manifold & 2 lbs in box. Did plug check at this speed & running rich but think that 8.5 powervalve was open Ran full open & motor only ran up to 4K & stayed there. Only 4.5 lbs of boost in box & 4 in maifold. Check plugs & very rich. I was concerned I only had 4lbs of boost. Put motor in neutral & ran motor up to 5K. Guage only showed about 9 lbs in box. This was first guess I had wrong pulley. Called procharger monday & tech guy's idea for fix was to put on smaller prop & I told him I though I was going to have to put a bigger prop on once I got this monstor dialed in. I told him I though the pulley was 2 small & test I did. After much heated debate he decided I needed 5" pulley instead of 5.5" Tech guy also told me I need to have jetting at 68 primary, 4.5 PV & 80 secondarys. Answer I got when I asked "Why procharger did not tell me this before?" was they showed I had never asked before? Only had called twice & given same wrong infor both times. Jetting is close to where I am now 70 primary, 8.5 PV & 83 secondarys. (I still think I need bigger PV so will get more fuel earlier in game)

I decided not to change any jetting until after tring with the smaller pulley.

Hope to go & test again tommorrow

Hey meyer, good to see your stilling lurking around.:D Sorry to take so long to reply but we’ve been at the lake for the poker run. Was hoping to trailer the boys to the Doctors when we left Sunday, but I didn’t get the call that the lungs were ready. So I am sitting on the pin for now. With 11 days till the Regatta, it’s going to get tight. TYPICAL!

Saturday we ran across the lake towards station 2 of the poker run with another 26’ Daytona. Side by side at 75 mph skipping across the chop created by the big dogs. Man, that’s was such a sight!:cool: :cool: :cool:

UT
What motor & drives did that other 26 have in it?

TJ - If I remember correctly, he has stock HP500 and Bravo One, so now that I think about it, he was probably WOT.

Got motor problem worked out, was a bad MSD digital 6 box. Put an old MSD 6 box on & got 104 @ 5600. RPM's were still climbing but I chickened out because I did not have rev control on this MSD box & was afraid if drive let loose might take motor with it. Next time out is going to be Memorial weekend so will let it all hang out & try bigger props.

Turbojack and UT : How are your boats running. UT are the sons done yet. ME still not in the water yet. Western New York wet and cold spring, plus PRI doesn't have my boat done yet

RON: Did you get in the water last Sat. IF so how did run. Any more mph out of that lab-finished Bravo one.

Have not been to water since last post. Getting new msd box today & putting on so can go out this weekend. I talked to everyone & think I am going to get a 1" imco shortie lower. The battle I am fighting is I have a big/heavy bowrider in front, most don't. Jerry (at eliminator) said he thought I could only get by going up 1 more inch & after checking into this I think I agree. Anyone out with input on drive heigtht??

It looks like our first good weekend here. Are you going to be on the water this weekend. We are not going to our cottage this weekend and I would sure like to go for a ride in a cat.

COME ON 26 OWNERS. Lets see some new posts. Someone must be runnning a 26. Iam not running to well to tell about mine.

our 26 is running good. it snoisy and attracts attention,. We love it.tell us about your troubles meyer. maybe someone can help!

Elimi and other 26 owners. Been off the board for many weeks. My 26 is running very well, still trying to work out low water pressure, which makes engine oil run hotter than I like it to. Which make my oil pressure run lower. Never less than 30lbs. Boat runs 92 to 94 mph on GPS. 502 mag with a Whipple. Now that summer here. Lets here from more 26 owner and 25 owner.

Meyer
Good to see you got it running. I am fighting bowrider weigth & not enought air to engine comparment. What is your X dim. Best way for us to compare it to look at top of drive housing (part attached to transom & measure to bottom of rub rail. Mine is 2", & was told that 1" was too high when eliminator tried it. I have standoff box but bowrider weight is giving me fits, getting too much transom lift & no bow lift. Boat runs faster full of fuel & plenty of people in boat, then empty. I got different prop to try this weekend so will see what that will do. Had best of 104 about 2 month ago. With hot air temp, Humidity, & hot water have lost about 14 mph. Sure hurts trying to get it dialed in with weather & water keep getting hotter.

100.2 on GPS
 

I all. Finally got to triple digits 100.2 mph. 502 mag with a whipple some mirror head work. Prop was a hydro motive Q4 28 picth. Oh forgot 7 or 8 lbs of boost. Lets here back from some of you 26 people. Hey UT are you out there. jim

Meyer-Good to hear it. What is the rest of your setup? Standoff box? Gear in bravo? X-dim? RPM when you hit the 100?

Congrats Meyer!
 

Please tell us more about your set-up! How did you massage the whipple set-up (I'm running same boost on my Whipple/454 mag)

I tried a hydromotive 26 4 blade the first year I had the boat (stock drive and x on my twin step 25) and I could not even get on plane with 4 people in the boat (never tried it with less weight)

Ken

Turbojack @ Cattitude : The set is as followed. Stander bravo 1.36R, PRI HD top cap, hydromotive nose cone, no stand off box, high X but never measured it. Jerry May said not to go any higher. But still would like to try a 2 inch shorty. RPM were 5300 to 5400 hard to tell. Seas were 18 inch chop 74% vary low humitity. The prop didn't get me on plan very well.