changing from eliminator to dcb
 

ive owned 13 daytonas, first time i needed help with a waranty issue i wasnt helped at all. i have cannopies that are very hard to see through. and they want over 4 grand. i run a ford dealership. and if i treated customers like this id be out of buisness. i quess eliminator doesnt need my $

Did you talk with Bob Leach directly? If not, you should. Sorry to hear u are having issues.

What canopies do you have? I bought one from Eliminator that was trash. The pair on the boat now form Aero Marine are very nice. I have one for the port side that is brand new from Aero Marine if you are in need. you can pm me or email if you want [email protected]

Contact Aero Mairne for clear canopies and windscreens.

909-392-5544

Tell them what size boat and what year it is and they can help if you need new ones.

Or did Eliminator change you for new Aero Marine canopies?

What year is the boat...?? Did you buy it new...?? Who gave you the quote for the replacement..??

What Ford Dealership do you run..??

eliminator
 

ive talked to kenny he has been very nice. and had offered to do it at cost for around 4 grand. first i dont buy that cost is that high! i quess why i am so pissed is this. 1. i have owned 13 of eliminators boats. not all new. my last 3 where a new 2001 26 daytona. a new 2005 26 daytona. and the 1 i have currently a used 2007 28 daytona. all my years owning these boats i never once was told that the warranty only goes to the first owner. the drivers side cannopie is very hard to see through and the passanger cannopie is starting to crack. i took the boat to a glass co they told me it was over tightend by the factory. and if you look closely you can see there are alot of tiny cracks starting to happen where it was screwed on. im from wi, so its not like this is the eliminator capital of the world but we have helped sell atleast 3 daytonas to people who ave seen, and ridden in 1 of ours. i also run, and sponsor a poker run. we have had the fastest boat at. which is a nice thing for eliminator. this year actually out running a bigger mti. i run 2 dealerships koenecke and kendall. thank you for all your replys

so you bought the boat used you are not telling the model nor the year and you dispute what they canopies cost? anyhting else you left out to make us feel sorry for you? A used boat could have been touched by anyone but it was that way when you bought it so call elimanitor and get new ones or the aro marine company and get new ones. either will be a lot cheaper than purchasing a new boat and taking the depreciation in this market.

I have heard that 4 grand is just what they charge for the canopies so as far as cost of new ones i'd say that is ball park......

Its A 2007 28 Daytona. And If I Treated Peopel Like That Id Be Out Of Buisness.

Wow
 

First of all, 13 Eliminators is a lot (allegedly). I have only owned 2 Eliminators. Second, and hear me out....I'm not taking sides, but when you say you "run" these dealers, I'm skeptical. I mean, if you "run" 2 dealerships, you should be able to spell and communicate a little better. The reason I say this is that some types of guys tend to "abuse" their boats a little, and maybe leave them outside, etc. There are ALOT of them around here. Then, they expect Bob to magically come out of pocket and fix everything. I mean, I blew up my $14,000 drive but that's cuz it had 1000 HP behind it, and 150 hours. It's called WEAR AND TEAR. I didn't blame Bmax, I just spent the 4 grand it cost to fix it. If you want to spend NO money on maintenance, then just buy a nice pontoon and deal with going 15 MPH. Also, if YOU ran your dealership like you expect Bob to run Eliminator, you would ALSO be out of business, because I doubt SERIOUSLY if you would replace a customers paint job on his 2003 Taurus if it faded (they all do) or the alternator died at 36,500 miles (out of warranty). And what makes you think that the canopies on the DCB boats are any better? They are ALL made out of the same 1/4 inch Polycarbonate using the SAME technique, and if you clean them right and don't leave them outside, you will be fine. The ONLY thing that wouldn't haze, scratch, or fade would be tempered glass, which would also weigh around 100 lbs each, and be super dangerous. And Besides, what the H@#@ does a GLASS company know about the torque spec for an Eliminator canopy?? Could it be that Cruiser wake you hit going 90 that made it crack? Hmmm??? In short, you come on here bashing Eliminator, but you have owned 13 of them? I have had a couple problems with the sales staff and service myself, but as far as the product goes, Eliminator IS the original and has an above average product. And Shuemann can usually get the shizz fixed if you act professionally, announce that you have owned 13 boats, and prove it. In summary...........
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first of all here is my # 608-524 4361 please call and ask my name is joe koziel . If you would like i can send you all of info on all 13? I do not appreciate the crack about spelling. i do not claim to have a degree. i just work very hard at what i do. i run 2 ford dealerships. last time i looked i did'nt have to have a degree in any thing to have worked my way up the ladder. i am sorry that you can not imagine owning 13 eliminators. Maybe you should of put your money that you spent on your degree to better use! I do not appreciate the smart ass cracks from some little pin head! Dont get mad at me for your short falls in life! All i was trying to say was I problem is it is very hard to see through the drivers side. and it is a safety issue. and the factory did nothing. is that to hard to understand. Ford and all car companys have atleast a 3 year 36,000 warranty and it doesnt matter how many owners. i only run the boat 4 months out of the year brecause of weather in wisconsin. I am 42 years old and have never had a boat longer than 2 years. My first daytona was a 21 daytona bought from bob anderson in the mid 80's.

I can tell you first hand all canopies are not alik., I have had the ones that Eliminator made and they are flat out dangerous. The Eliminator canopy is ticker about 3/8" the ones from Aero Marine are 1/2".

On that note i would not expect Eliminator to cover a part like canopies on a second hand boat.

Dallas did you not test drive the boat to know what you where buying?

Not a chance.

Dallas fare suck of the sav.How do you run anything with spelling and grammar like that?

Couple of Thoughts
 

1. This forum is intended to help Eliminator owners - sharing experiences - ultimately allowing Eliminator owners to get as much enjoyment out of their toys as possible. There is no need for the insults back and forth. It is unproductive, unnecessary, and not even that amusing. If you want to abuse each other do it via PM's or phone calls, or in another section on this forum.

2. It's obvious Dallas has an appreciation for the Eliminator product because he has purchased more than one. If he didn't like the product, he'd have chosen one of the myriad of other alternatives available to him after his first Elim.

3. In each of the 2 Elims I purchased, my warranty's were one year from delivery from factory. For both boats, Elim was quite fair on what they covered.

4. I think we need to respect the fact that Eliminator is a business and they have to show some prudence in what should be covered and for how long. Fountain Powerboats just filed for Chapter 11 because they made some bad business decisions....not necessarily all due to warranty claims, etc... I run a computer software business and don't claim to understand what it takes to run a successful boat manufacturer. But I do respect the fact that they may make decisions I don't understand and the fact that they have endured multiple tough economic environments, including the latest, leads me to believe they are making the decisions they need to in order to remain viable so that I may have the opportunity to purchase another Eliminator down the line.

5. As long as they continue to make a great product, that meets my desires, and treat owners fairly post-sale, I'll be an Eliminator customer.

6. Dallas, if it were me and your boat was delivered from the factory more than a year ago, I'd purchase new/better canopies from Aero as recommended by others. If it was delivered from the factory to someone (even if it wasn't you), I'd recommend having your dealer do some work for you (if you purchased from a dealer), or if not ask to speak with Bob and avoid the public threats. While you may not get the answer you like, the odds of a favorable outcome will be better via a professional discussion w/the owner who would certainly appreciate your multiple acts of patronage.

Just my 2 cents.

What was the problem with the windshields? Are they hazed, or do they have distortion that is hard to see through. If it's distortion, that obviously didn't happen over night, and was probably like that since day one. In that case, Eliminator should step up to the plate. I guess the question would be, if it is distorted, and was like that last year, why wasn't it mentioned then. Haze can come from using the wrong materials to clean it, outdoor elements, age......... I don't see how a haze would be warrantied. I may be missing some of the details, but that's what i see.

As far as the guys on here bashing Dallas for grammar and punctuation, it's just a bunch of crap. You guys must not have anything better to do than try and push buttons. It's plain f'in stupid, and obviously you guys have no good contributions to the problem at hand. Why post at all?

To the last 2 posts. i do appreciate the advise. i have been dealing with this problem for a while now the canopies are blurred every one that gets in the boaT has no idea how i can see. my whole point was was it is a safety issue. like i said kenny was very nice.And i understand he only can do what he can do. I do completely understand that you cant make every one happy. i was just hoping for a little more than what i was given. and yes i do love eliminators after 13, yes i did say 13 !This is my first real issue

Is it still a warranty issue?How many years are they warrantied for?
I think if it was a warranty issue Eliminator would have sorted it unless you have'nt been talking to the right person.
Dallas what's the largest you've owned?
Are they always a couple of years old when you've purchased them?Amazing that someone could have 13.Would have to be the best Eliminator customer ever.
Do you guys over there transfer ownership through Eliminator when you sell a boat thats still warrantied?

1 thing that was new to me.I was never told the warranty only goes to the first person not from any dealer, or bob anderson.I always thought it stays with the boat. So basically if you sell the boat in the first 6 months there is no warranty. I bought a brand new 2001 left over in 2002. Then Bill Shumaker did the procharger that was the first year for the 26 with icc, then in 05 i bought a new 28 daytona from lightning bay in St. Pete Fla. That had the twin 496, then two year ago i took my daughter and flew the LA boat show. And when I was there i found a pre owned 2007 with the twin 525 for about half of what the 2008 at the boat show was. and now im looking at a 32 dcb or maybe a 33 daytona. but after all this most likely a dcb. its simple i can not see clearly when driving. that should be covered period. at least thats my opinion

Over time if the canapy is not cleaned correctly, they will get blurry and hard to see through. Last year when I was looking at the LA show, both DCB and Eliminator told me that.

Get over it and realize the old owner might of started the problem by not cleaning them correctly and now it is your problem.

just sell me the boat and I'LL replace the canopies.:evilb:

its going up for sale in a few weeks

How much do you want? How many hours?

Sounds like it wasnt cleaned correctly-or routinely tightened.

You need to clean these like helmets shields- very carefully with the correct cleaners.

Half of these things new have the optical clarity of a funhouse- aero marines seems to be pretty good.

I dont see how thats eliminators problem. Much like buying a car with a cracked or bad windshield.

Bummer though.

UD

Just as an outsider looking in, wasnt there some talk on here a couple years ago about Eliminators having terrilbe canopies on them for a short span of time? Maybe this boat was from that period. Id say do a search on here.

Bob's got to pay that 54,000 a month morgage:lolhit:

Hate to add to this post but its about time someone stepped up.Eliminator Has the worst canopies in the biz... PERIOD. We have personaly meet with Bob over it. Wrote letters. They are dangerous and someone could get killed. Sit in any other boat and they are clear. We are at our 5th eliminator this last one the exact qoute was do you want to spend the extra 7000 for the clear ones? UMM there shouldnt be a choice when you are running boats this fast. I also believe thats why they are going to the winshields again ( speedsters). Also would like to add that the canopies came loose after the first weekend and they told us to tighten them cracked the winshield with the bolt still not tight NO WARRANTY. Bob will hopefuly realize that there are guys out there that will buy about every 2-3 years but not after all this. Quality control has gone down.
Sorry for being so harsh but it gets old when you pay that much for a boat it should be perfect.

thank you!!!!!!

I have not paid much attention to mime since I look over them almost all of the time. This last weekend I spent some time looking thru them and was not as good as windshield of my truck but was good enough to see everything in front of me.

Eliminator canopies
 

So who makes the original canopies for Eliminator in the first place? Perhaps they may back up the product.

All acrylics are suceptible to chemicals, specially ammonia (Windex) and can be trashed real quick. If there are cracks around the installation holes it's either that the bolts were overtightened or the canopy wasn't annealed to take out the stresses. The fuzzyness is usually crazing. In most cases it's a chemical attack through not knowing how to care for them so it's not the manufacturer's problem.

Although it's possible to take out crazing, in F-16 canopies it's really hard because they have complex curves. It's not really worth the trouble. Buy a new set and take care of them.

We make the canopies for Motion and Donzi but we use 5/8" thickness. I'm sure that Aero Marine will be able to help you on this.

No they are distorted not scratched or chemically damaged. Tried two brand new sets each one was different.This is not something new Bob Teague has been putting it in test drives for years.

Eliminator canopies
 

So who makes the original canopies for Eliminator in the first place?

Distortion is rare and is squarely the manufacturer's problem. Distortion is there on day one.
When you start relating speed with canopies you open another completely different can of worms. If it's a poker run boat you can get away with acrylics, which gives you superior optical qualities.
If it's a serious racer you have to be far more aware of the effects of an impact and everybody has a theory. Actual surplus F-16 canopies, which used to be laminated and are now coated polycarbonate are a possibility. Personally I think that they lose their integrity once you trim them up but they have been credited with saving many lives.

Rare? Like I said you can read about any powerboat when Bob drove an eliminator,early DCB, ect.. he would comment on the capsules. Eliminator is aware and doesnt want to replace all the old ones out there it would cost a fortune. Original eliminator capsules have changed over the years. Or pay more for the better ones. I will get the name of our new ones that just cracked.

No names on them. I will have to look at the bill. I know they are the low pros.