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jeff32 07-25-2009 05:29 PM

diffence between formula SS and cruiser
 
What makes the difference between those 2 type of boats? the bigger engines? the width ? the deck hight ? the faster speed because of the bigger engines?

the look is a little different according to pictures I've seen, but I guess you can stand up in both cabin, as same ameneties...

what are the differences?

t500hps 07-25-2009 06:24 PM

The SS models are nearly the same weight as the PC (cruisers) but have a beam 1/2 way between the fastech and PC models. They also have stepped hulls and the OPTION of bigger motors. The 370 and 400 are tall enough to stand in. The 350,370,400 models all have aft cabins and gensets are common. These boats run 50-60 depending on which engine option you choose. The PC's are even wider and typically have straight shaft drives. These have noticably more room in the cockpit and below but top out around 40 (note, the SS models have plenty of room in the cockpit if you ask me).

I have looked at these ALOT. If I could get fair money ($115-120K) for my 382 a 525 powered 370SS would be on my short list for the next boat.

jeff32 07-25-2009 08:29 PM

does'nt the SS have also a aft cabin? that's what I thought according again only from pictures. I never saw these in real.

If I understand your point, it's actuaaly just a little smaller in the cabin side for the SS...right?

t500hps 07-25-2009 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by jeff32 (Post 2918045)
does'nt the SS have also a aft cabin? that's what I thought according again only from pictures. I never saw these in real.

If I understand your point, it's actuaaly just a little smaller in the cabin side for the SS...right?

re-read....the 350, 370, and 400 have aft cabins. The SS models are "cross-breeds" IMO. A big fat go-fast, or a narrow stepped cruiser.

jeff32 07-25-2009 09:10 PM

your right sorry i did not catch the half cabin part... have you sea trialed one?

t500hps 07-25-2009 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by jeff32 (Post 2918054)
your right sorry i did not catch the half cabin part... have you sea trialed one?

No, I had express cruisers for years before buying a Formula 312, then the 382 I have now. I love the performance and ride of the Fastech's but miss the big cabins we used to have....I have been on a bunch of the SS models at boat shows etc and will likely go to that type of boat whenever we finally decide to switch. (My family has a house on the water about 45 miles from where we like to visit for overnighters)

jeff32 07-25-2009 09:51 PM

just went on the formula site, 37 is 1000 pounds lighter and 6 inches narower than the 40, and deadrise is 21 degre instead of 22 degre...

not a big difference between the 2 so I guess that is why there are not too many 37 for sale compared to the 40...

thanks for the info. good luck selling your boat! and choosing the other one!

t500hps 07-25-2009 10:34 PM

compare the 37/38 footers

37 PC
17,500 lbs
12 ft beam
aprox 35-40 WOT

370 SS
15,000 lbs
10.5 beam
Aprox 60 WOT

382 Fastech
10,500 lbs
8.5 beam
aprox 75 WOT

Mentalpause 07-26-2009 02:25 PM

I thought the Fasteks had 8' 3" beams?

I switched from a Sunsation F4 to a 350SS last year. I wouldn't buy an SS if you really want to go fast. They can get you from point A to point B in a reasonable amount of time, but they are not at all like go fast boats.

On the other hand, they are way better as an all around family boat than any go fast boat. Several of my family members really questioned the switch before we did it. But now nobody questions it. I don't think I will ever go back.

t500hps 07-26-2009 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Mentalpause (Post 2918322)
I thought the Fasteks had 8' 3" beams?

I switched from a Sunsation F4 to a 350SS last year. I wouldn't buy an SS if you really want to go fast. They can get you from point A to point B in a reasonable amount of time, but they are not at all like go fast boats.

On the other hand, they are way better as an all around family boat than any go fast boat. Several of my family members really questioned the switch before we did it. But now nobody questions it. I don't think I will ever go back.

They are 8'3" but I rounded all the numbers. I'm thinking the same thing you did, hell a 382 isn't the fastest hull out there anyway!!!

Mentalpause 07-26-2009 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by t500hps (Post 2918341)
They are 8'3" but I rounded all the numbers. I'm thinking the same thing you did, hell a 382 isn't the fastest hull out there anyway!!!

I went to the SS because I wanted at least a little performance. My SS rides best around 30 or so MPH. I am so used to either idling or running 30 or so now, I don't have any desire to push the boat up to 57 or 58, which is where mine tops out. At first I pushed it up there, but learned quickly it is not the same motivation as when you push a go fast up.

If I looked at a 400 now, I would look closely at diesels. Or I might look more closely at a PC than I did when I switched.

t500hps 07-26-2009 09:20 PM

We had cruisers for 10-11 years so I know what I would be going to. Just ready to trade performance for comfort.....and I always need a project....since the 382 is running perfect it's time to look for something else. Between the built motors (630hp), new dash, stereo, and new trailer I have ALOT of extra money in the 382 but would be happy to take low book value for it....even that is unlikely :(

C_Spray 07-28-2009 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by Mentalpause (Post 2918504)
...If I looked at a 400 now, I would look closely at diesels...

Agreed. I rode on both 525/Bravo3 boat and Volvo 370/DPH boat. Diesels easy. These new ones don't even smell!

Treads 07-29-2009 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by Mentalpause (Post 2918504)
If I looked at a 400 now, I would look closely at diesels.

My only comment is that you need to be aware that the diesels have so much more torque, that several owners I have spoken with have had some difficulty with drives getting blown, and not as a result of doing anything crazy, just so much more torque.

Magic34 08-03-2009 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by Mentalpause (Post 2918322)
I thought the Fasteks had 8' 3" beams?

I switched from a Sunsation F4 to a 350SS last year. I wouldn't buy an SS if you really want to go fast. They can get you from point A to point B in a reasonable amount of time, but they are not at all like go fast boats.

On the other hand, they are way better as an all around family boat than any go fast boat. Several of my family members really questioned the switch before we did it. But now nobody questions it. I don't think I will ever go back.

I did the same thing... Went from a high performance cat to a 370SS. Love the 370SS!!! I made the switch 2 years ago.

I can guarantee you though, the 400SS is way more than 1000 pounds heavier on the trailer. I have the 370SS I trailer everywhere and my brother has a 400SS he trailers everywhere. I am 22k on the trailer and he is above 24k.

C_Spray 08-04-2009 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Treads (Post 2920639)
My only comment is that you need to be aware that the diesels have so much more torque, that several owners I have spoken with have had some difficulty with drives getting blown, and not as a result of doing anything crazy, just so much more torque.

Are you referring to the Cummins/Bravo III boats? I have heard horror stories about those, but the new Volvo/DPH package has a monster drive; about the size of a #6, rated for 850+ ft-lbs, and complete with hydraulic steering:

Treads 08-04-2009 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by C_Spray (Post 2924386)
Are you referring to the Cummins/Bravo III boats? I have heard horror stories about those, but the new Volvo/DPH package has a monster drive; about the size of a #6, rated for 850+ ft-lbs, and complete with hydraulic steering:

Yes Chuck, quite a few problems with the B III's bolwing out.

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