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Originally Posted by pondrunner
(Post 3210174)
Yeah, I read that...I mean sending in your 6.2's to be built into Strokers...anyone done this and whats the cost of the program?
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Well guys, just wanted to bump this thread and give ya an update...it took an entire year, but today, thanks to the advice you all gave, I became a Formula 292 Fastech owner! Last years fall deal fell through, three days before delivery. That was on the 2006 292 w/ 6.2's and 275 hours. Good things come to those who wait, I bought a 2003 292 w/ Scorpions with only 170 hours and it runs like a demon!
28 pitch props and this baby lept on plane full of fuel with me and the saleman on board. We had 2 foot of chop on Onieda Lake for the sea-trial...we hit 76.5 on GPS and with the acceleration I felt, it sold me on the spot! A buddy said that going to small blocks and a heavy hull would be way different from my 575 SCi Excalibur and don't think its gonna accelerate or be as throttle responsive as the blower motor. WRONG! The throttle response was fantastic all the way to full. The heft of the hull is a great feature in the chop and the Formula quality is obvious from the start. I had no problem writing out the check for this boat, the best boat purchase (#4) I've made...everything I wanted and imagined and more. Now I have to learn how to drive it. Let the fun begin! :coolcowboy: |
Originally Posted by pondrunner
(Post 3505228)
Well guys, just wanted to bump this thread and give ya an update...it took an entire year, but today, thanks to the advice you all gave, I became a Formula 292 Fastech owner! Last years fall deal fell through, three days before delivery. That was on the 2006 292 w/ 6.2's and 275 hours. Good things come to those who wait, I bought a 2003 292 w/ Scorpions with only 170 hours and it runs like a demon!
28 pitch props and this baby lept on plane full of fuel with me and the saleman on board. We had 2 foot of chop on Onieda Lake for the sea-trial...we hit 76.5 on GPS and with the acceleration I felt, it sold me on the spot! A buddy said that going to small blocks and a heavy hull would be way different from my 575 SCi Excalibur and don't think its gonna accelerate or be as throttle responsive as the blower motor. WRONG! The throttle response was fantastic all the way to full. The heft of the hull is a great feature in the chop and the Formula quality is obvious from the start. I had no problem writing out the check for this boat, the best boat purchase (#4) I've made...everything I wanted and imagined and more. Now I have to learn how to drive it. Let the fun begin! :coolcowboy: this the one from congel??? |
Originally Posted by pondrunner
(Post 3505228)
Well guys, just wanted to bump this thread and give ya an update...it took an entire year, but today, thanks to the advice you all gave, I became a Formula 292 Fastech owner! Last years fall deal fell through, three days before delivery. That was on the 2006 292 w/ 6.2's and 275 hours. Good things come to those who wait, I bought a 2003 292 w/ Scorpions with only 170 hours and it runs like a demon!
28 pitch props and this baby lept on plane full of fuel with me and the saleman on board. We had 2 foot of chop on Onieda Lake for the sea-trial...we hit 76.5 on GPS and with the acceleration I felt, it sold me on the spot! A buddy said that going to small blocks and a heavy hull would be way different from my 575 SCi Excalibur and don't think its gonna accelerate or be as throttle responsive as the blower motor. WRONG! The throttle response was fantastic all the way to full. The heft of the hull is a great feature in the chop and the Formula quality is obvious from the start. I had no problem writing out the check for this boat, the best boat purchase (#4) I've made...everything I wanted and imagined and more. Now I have to learn how to drive it. Let the fun begin! :coolcowboy: Tim |
It is the one Congel had. If you have some "insider" information on it, it would be appreciated! Better to head off a problem now than later. Clean, low hour boat with just a cosmetic ding or two. Owned by an elderly man on the River that used it to get to his waterfront home and back. Congel used it as his personal boat this summer and wouldn't let it go despite offers until after Labor day. Said that it did come stock with 30 pitch bravos, but the holeshot planning time was bad and they highly recommended the 28's. After the test drive, it looks like the 28's are right. They said I'd loose about 2-3 mph on the top end. What do you guys think? This weekend I'll be putting it through the paces on Lake Ontario. I've done the Swamp Run in the past, great run. I look forward to it next year. From my hour on it yesterday for delivery, I'm impressed.
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Originally Posted by pondrunner
(Post 3505369)
It is the one Congel had. If you have some "insider" information on it, it would be appreciated! Better to head off a problem now than later. Clean, low hour boat with just a cosmetic ding or two. Owned by an elderly man on the River that used it to get to his waterfront home and back. Congel used it as his personal boat this summer and wouldn't let it go despite offers until after Labor day. Said that it did come stock with 30 pitch bravos, but the holeshot planning time was bad and they highly recommended the 28's. After the test drive, it looks like the 28's are right. They said I'd loose about 2-3 mph on the top end. What do you guys think? This weekend I'll be putting it through the paces on Lake Ontario. I've done the Swamp Run in the past, great run. I look forward to it next year. From my hour on it yesterday for delivery, I'm impressed.
No inside info just one that caught my eye congrats |
What is the horsepower rating of the Scorpion engine and is the rating at the crank or prop. Stock 6.2's are rated at 320HP, but I'm not sure if that is at the crank or prop either.
pondrunner, congrats on your purchase!:drink: I love my 292, but more hp would be nice. Do you now what rpm were you were running at 76.5 mph? Are the 28" pitch Bravo's labbed? I assume you have hydraulic steering. If you don't have K-Planes, that is a really nice upgrade with respect to handling. I put them on mine. Thanks. |
Originally Posted by pondrunner
(Post 3505369)
It is the one Congel had. If you have some "insider" information on it, it would be appreciated! Better to head off a problem now than later. Clean, low hour boat with just a cosmetic ding or two. Owned by an elderly man on the River that used it to get to his waterfront home and back. Congel used it as his personal boat this summer and wouldn't let it go despite offers until after Labor day. Said that it did come stock with 30 pitch bravos, but the holeshot planning time was bad and they highly recommended the 28's. After the test drive, it looks like the 28's are right. They said I'd loose about 2-3 mph on the top end. What do you guys think? This weekend I'll be putting it through the paces on Lake Ontario. I've done the Swamp Run in the past, great run. I look forward to it next year. From my hour on it yesterday for delivery, I'm impressed.
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Originally Posted by pondrunner
(Post 3505228)
Well guys, just wanted to bump this thread and give ya an update...it took an entire year, but today, thanks to the advice you all gave, I became a Formula 292 Fastech owner! Last years fall deal fell through, three days before delivery. That was on the 2006 292 w/ 6.2's and 275 hours. Good things come to those who wait, I bought a 2003 292 w/ Scorpions with only 170 hours and it runs like a demon!
28 pitch props and this baby lept on plane full of fuel with me and the saleman on board. We had 2 foot of chop on Onieda Lake for the sea-trial...we hit 76.5 on GPS and with the acceleration I felt, it sold me on the spot! A buddy said that going to small blocks and a heavy hull would be way different from my 575 SCi Excalibur and don't think its gonna accelerate or be as throttle responsive as the blower motor. WRONG! The throttle response was fantastic all the way to full. The heft of the hull is a great feature in the chop and the Formula quality is obvious from the start. I had no problem writing out the check for this boat, the best boat purchase (#4) I've made...everything I wanted and imagined and more. Now I have to learn how to drive it. Let the fun begin! :coolcowboy: |
Well, I got to run about 6 hours on the boat this weekend...and I'm still quite impressed. No buyers remorse at all, just kept saying I wish I had bought one sooner!:drink: Had a long-time Formula friend of mine, Thirdbird, go for a ride and he gave a big thumbs-up as well as all my Baja-buddies!
A couple things have come to mind after having a weekend to run the boat. THe 28 Bravo's get up on plane quite well, but I still noticed abit of slip(blowout) coming on plane, not constant, but there off and on. Also, you guys have said to run a neutral(mid) position on the drives. At about 4-5 the prop slips or blows out. The dealer told me on the test ride to run about about 2-3 off the bottom in rough water and go up to 5 in flat water and this seems to be where it runs in those conditions. Is this the correct set-up? I know the boat originally came with 30 pitch bravos, and wonder if that really would be the better prop. I'm turning 5200-5300 at WOT and occasionally tickle 5400. Spec range is 4800-5200 rpm. Where is the rev limiter set on the Scorpions? I don't want to be banging into it constantly although I don't think I have hit it yet. The dealer said the boat really struggles with the 30's getting on plane and with the 28's, they only saw a 2-3 mph loss on top end. I'm not displeased at all with the performance, quite the contrary, just want to know for sure what the proper set-up should be. I'll need a second set of props anyway so want to get it right. With three people in the boat, 3/4 tank of fuel, 65 degrees the boat hit 75.5 GPS on flat water, so I can't complain and I can get it down to 3000 rpm and 38mph with tabs down for cruising. To answer 4mulafastech, the Scorpions are 377hp, 350 at the prop and the 28 bravos are stock. It does have hydraulic steering and I agree that Kplanes or at least a longer tab would be a worthy upgrade... |
Originally Posted by Splitdecision271
(Post 3203773)
Boat loves 2-4 foot chop, will just skip across the top.
Originally Posted by Expensive Date
(Post 3203789)
I run mine in the ocean and while the boat can run 65 in 4-5s you better like driving it because it can be a handful.
With that said, the 292 is a great boat... just not one I want to be in during 3'+ conditions. My useless 2 cents... |
Originally Posted by SS930
(Post 3507286)
You guys must have different definitions on water conditions then we do. When the marine conditions are showing 3'+ in our area the 292 I've been in was far from "loving" or "skipping" across the tops. I can't imagine that boat ever making it to 65 in true 4'-5' without disintegrating, going into orbit, or significant bodily injury!
With that said, the 292 is a great boat... just not one I want to be in during 3'+ conditions. My useless 2 cents... |
Originally Posted by SS930
(Post 3507286)
You guys must have different definitions on water conditions then we do. When the marine conditions are showing 3'+ in our area the 292 I've been in was far from "loving" or "skipping" across the tops. I can't imagine that boat ever making it to 65 in true 4'-5' without disintegrating, going into orbit, or significant bodily injury!
With that said, the 292 is a great boat... just not one I want to be in during 3'+ conditions. My useless 2 cents... Jersey guys are tough:lolhit: I have done it, its just not something we do all the time,It can be done but like I said you will!!!!!!! be driving it.Also the ocean is a little easier that a large lake that has waves running from all different directions.In the ocean they are usually farther apart and have a more gradual slope. |
Like I said, great boat, but not one I would suggest for rougher conditions. Reading this someone could be misled to think that a 292 is decent choice for running in 3'+ conditions at speed. Well, I guess it would be if the alternative is a 21! :lolhit: No doubt the 292 will do it, but as someone pointed out earlier (Justin?), it's still a sub 30' boat that wasn't really designed to run in those conditions. Honestly, 3'+ seas get your attention in boats 10' longer, 4-5' seas are less than idea for a 29' boat IMO. Although as Expensive said, open ocean running is certainly easier running than confused chop of equal size...
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Thanks to the "trim tab" thread, I just ordered the last set of ASPracing tabs that fit the Bennetts!:evilb:
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Originally Posted by SS930
(Post 3507367)
Like I said, great boat, but not one I would suggest for rougher conditions. Reading this someone could be misled to think that a 292 is decent choice for running in 3'+ conditions at speed. Well, I guess it would be if the alternative is a 21! :lolhit: No doubt the 292 will do it, but as someone pointed out earlier (Justin?), it's still a sub 30' boat that wasn't really designed to run in those conditions. Honestly, 3'+ seas get your attention in boats 10' longer, 4-5' seas are less than idea for a 29' boat IMO. Although as Expensive said, open ocean running is certainly easier running than confused chop of equal size...
And I'm kinda Weird the one time I did it on a poker run my wife was with me......she did not think it was as much fun as I did. |
3-5ftrs in Lake Erie 65mph in 292 no way
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Originally Posted by oh6662b
(Post 3508029)
3-5ftrs in Lake Erie 65mph in 292 no way
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Originally Posted by Expensive Date
(Post 3508160)
I used to think its a lake how bad can it be.Till I ran in a big lake,not anywhere as big as Erie though and it was only 2-3 that day.Its totally different from the ocean the waves come from all over different directions very hard to read.So I would have to agree.
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Hey Cuposterchild...the boat came without any manuals/binder or documentation about it at all. I don't even know how to work the radio/Sirius combo. Could you get anything for me...it would be very appreciated.
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Originally Posted by pondrunner
(Post 3508725)
Hey Cuposterchild...the boat came without any manuals/binder or documentation about it at all. I don't even know how to work the radio/Sirius combo. Could you get anything for me...it would be very appreciated.
Will see what I can do...possibly make a couple phone calls. Ragged you out there? You think RB might have that still. I know it wasn't HIM that was selling the boat so not sure how to exactly pursue. Factory is always pretty good for any questions too in case I hit a wall. I can say you got a very CLEAN well cared for easy run boat...just remember to run the ol 91/93 in that bad larry and hammer down! |
Mention to Pete (Ragged) I'm one of the Sandy Pond Rats, we've run in a Poker run or two and enjoyed Jackie Chans!!!:drink:
I contacted Formula today for some generic stuff they can email...thanks abunch! |
Yes, us NJ boaters are used to the bay picking up in the afternoon, so we're used to running in a little rougher of conditions. Never did I say to run 65 in 4-5 chop. I don't hit 65 in 1-2 chop. You can "cruise" comfortably in a 292 in 2-3 chop at 35-40. Your kidneys are going to bounced around a bit, but I can drive without having to play with the throttles.
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pondrunner, are you friends with J.B? When he came down to the rendezvous in NJ this summer he mentioned he had a buddy he boats who has a 292. Think we have the same color scheme.
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Don't know who JB is...my color scheme is Silver Imron #2 Bayport blue/red/yellow.
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Hey Pondrunner, I bought my boat as a repo....no manuals on anything. Contact Formula for boat manuals, Mercury marine will supply engine & drive info ($25?) and your stereo and sirus radio owners/operating manuals, just Google your sterio model numbers and print out pdfs.
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Do you actually steer with the drives trimmed up in turns and does this characteristic reduce its maneuverability relative to deepVs?
You should find the tab number that works for your boat my is 3, boats are different I have K tabs not stock. do all your turns with the tabs in that position. if you take a long level and put on you hull long enough to reach the end of the tabs. adjust your tabs to hit the level and that is the number you want. 2 -4 footers should be no problem with that boat, flat and level will be a combo of tab and motor trim. JT |
292 Fastech Questions
I don't mean to hijack this thread so if that is what is considered by my question I apologize in advance.
I have read all of the above about the various points on a 292. I am looking at a 2003 292 and the broker says it has 350 Mag MPI with 5,7 litre motors I have looked at many 292s and they all seem to have 6.2 litre motors Can someone clarify for me are the 6.2 big block and the 5.7litre small block or have I got this all screwed up. I thought I had it right until the broker and his boss started to confuse me today I don't want the blue 377 Scorpions as I understand there is more maintenance after a few hundred hours. Can someone help me understand the difference in the 350 Mags 5.7 l vs the 6.2 l Thanks in advance. |
Further to my above post I have read through all the 292 posts on this forum tonight and I believe the 5.7 and 6.2 are both considered to be classed as small blocks. Am I correct?
If so depending on the prop there seems to be some issues to get on plane with the 292s - 26 prop seems to be better than 28. With the 5,7 is this going to be more of a problem than with the 6.2s? |
Originally Posted by uluru
(Post 4633471)
Further to my above post I have read through all the 292 posts on this forum tonight and I believe the 5.7 and 6.2 are both considered to be classed as small blocks. Am I correct?
If so depending on the prop there seems to be some issues to get on plane with the 292s - 26 prop seems to be better than 28. With the 5,7 is this going to be more of a problem than with the 6.2s? |
Still looking at the 2004 292 with 6.2s
Question? Can the plugs be changed without lifting the motors? Might be a dumb question but it sure looks crowded in there. Thx. |
Not bad at all. I did mine at 300 hrs.
The inside banks are very easy. Its the outside rear plugs that are the harder ones, but still easy. |
Thx much appreciated.
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Originally Posted by uluru
(Post 4637064)
Still looking at the 2004 292 with 6.2s
Question? Can the plugs be changed without lifting the motors? Might be a dumb question but it sure looks crowded in there. Thx. |
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