I am not sure I think it is right in line. People will pay for the clean 271's because of the fact that the single vs twins makes them REALLY nervous and the perception is they are looking at more gas, maintenance, props, drives, engines etc. So when they rationalize it they are only giving up 2ft and a lot of headaches. Remember 242's (and the 311 but for the sake of this discussion) are STILL highly sought after and people will pay for the clean ones sometimes as much as 311. People who are still looking for a single engine formula without going the 240/260 route don't have much choice except to go with the 271. But also people looking for more of a starter performance boat from Formula aren't going to think about anything with twins usually. Now Pond your's is a highly factory optioned (and custom optioned) 292 that I would expect to demand more money but if you are comparin a clean 271's price to an okay conditioned 292 I would expect them to be the same $ just my opinion

i think you are proving my point. 90% of the owners either:
1. routinely run there boat every weekend if not close to everyweekend for 2+ hours
2. let the boat sit and use it periodically.

very rarely do you find someone who runs there boat every weekend for 1 hour at a time.

Engine is out, might just be a head gasket but my engine guy is checking it. Know more tomorrow when its apart. Hydrolocked and its not exhaust with the exhaust off and the plugs out when a hose is hooked up to the flush port water comes out of the #1 cylinder. If the piston is ok and nothing got hurt will just cut the heads and be back in a week or so. If its hurt bad will probably wright the rest of season off and explore options, probably just repower.

Thanks to everyone for you concern, I think it was that damn fresh water I ran the boat in last month:evilb:.

LOL good luck hope its easy, how about them 383's everyones talking about LOL:evilb:

Thats an option, my engine guy says I should just rebuild when I'm ready and pro-charge. Heard good and bad about them but Wassup Engines has done a bunch with no problems. Was told I could see mid 80s with them. If its just head gaskets will fix for now but if its a full rebuild can't see doing it to run the same speed again.

ILMOR's! come one we need a guinea pig

http://www.cpperformance.com/p-13969...arger-kit.aspx


These sure are pretty.

They are pretty...but when they go, they go BIG and sometimes with little warning. Been down that road and will not travel it again. My 575 SCi head gasket went and burned across three cylinders and ruined the block not to mention the internals and head. My mechanic said he had never seen such damage and has done performance boats for many years! It was a racing motor and gave its all with the computer compensating until it blew. I only noticed a 150rpm decrease the day it happened. That could be attributed to anything and it was a hot humid day. Ran like a demon until the second it went. Could you have caught the problem? Cubic inches for me! The Ilmors would be the ticket!:evilb:

Pond what are you looking to get into btw? Definately let me know if you are letting the 292 go and the details....might be interested or have someone that is.

Got a lead on a Baja 33' and a Formula 353. Absolutely love the 292, but who doesn't want to go bigger if the right deal comes along!:daz:

go with the 353! I am pretty set on a 35 fountain for the big river just because they seem to offer just that bit more over the 292 plus 70 out of 6.2/350's is just not going to cut it

Thats exactly what the little voice in my head is saying.

I would stick with reliability ESPECIALLY if you move out of it at some point in the next couple years. Sell your power or put it towards a set of 400hp 383's and call it a day. Will keep your market a little broader at sale time

But I still am saying you should go with ILMORS! haha :D
http://www.ilmor.com/user_area/conte...YERS_Thumb.jpg

I was all set to order two 383s last night, and told my self I had to look throught the Fountain classifieds first...........My new heads will be there Friday.:evilb:

The longblock is fine so its being done right all new valves and springs to. Have had boat for 7 rears, bored with it don't want to spend 25k to turn a 45k boat into a 48k boat.

Smart move Tim! Hope it all works out for ya!!!! :evilb:

WHat 383's are you guys talking about? The stroker motors? The 383 Magnum MPI's? Something else?
So Tim, what did you mean about the Fountain classifieds? Are you simply putting the motors back to stock and then looking for a larger boat?

I'd be looking for a 353 with 500s or 525s. Not a fountain :(

Just pull the trigger on a 38 lightning and sell the 292. This is the dilema I am wrestling with is do I go past the 292 and go right for a 35 Lightning/Executioner

Unless there is something wrong with this boat, this looks like a good deal
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o47145-en.html

couldnt agree more. had my eye on that boat myself. great deal for someone moving up.

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These, I was going to order two of these but told myself I had to go through the classifieds first. I have no complaints about Formula its been a good first boat for me, but I really wanted a Fountain when I bought my 292. In the fall of 05 used boat prices were not that far off of new and 35 EX were almost 200k I could not spend that much then,so I bought my 292 at a boat show.

The port engine was taken apart and inspected the longblock suffered no damage as the cylinder head went about 5 miles from the ramp. I am putting two new heads with new valves and springs on it.Parts should be there Friday and should be back on the water by end of next week. If I don't make a move over the winter will probably pull the heads on the other engine and check them. Its strange because my engine guy says there is almost no rust and corrosion in the motor except for the pinhole behind the valves.

The 292 is a great boat for what it is, just bored had her for 7 years want something different.

Most of the ramps around me are short, at low tide I am going to have trouble with a 38. Will probably get either 35 EX or 07 and above lightning.

FYI if you haven't already seen one in person, the Fountains are, well, built small and tight. Reggie is a little guy and his boats fit him perfectly. I'm 6'2" and my buddy has a 29 Fever and I've been on a friends 35 Lightening. The cockpits and cabins are indeed smaller and tighter than Formula. Thats one reason I chose what I did. My knees actually hit the dash in both. The free board only comes to my thigh, no joke. When I tried running offshore I found myself squating in and simply couldn't fit properly. In addition, the 35 Ex is the original 10 meter offshore, 30'. A Formula 353 is 33' and they are priced similarly. But yeah, the Fountains do look cool, if not alittle outdated, but if you want one, I do get why! The 35 Executioner has been on my short list for awhile. :evilb:

Both motors and install 25k?

Never got an exact price because I decided to fix it. But if you can get deals on engines from Mercury. Might have been less, probably would have been.

Its rare for me to have more than two people on my boat, my boys are getting older and my daughter thinks I'm an *******:evilb:, so space wise is fine for me. I have run, and been in them, I'm fine with there size.

Well,

The 292 is not officially for sale, but for local no BS deals I'm interested. Are you or do you have someone who seriously is? Be more than happy to meet and do a test ride and give someone a chance to look it over. I can't sell this as low as other 292's go, you know that, but I'm negotiable. I have 227 hours on her. Eagle tandem tires like new. Running like a demon. Let me know...

Tim

Nice 292 reasonable price

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-...item27ca82e983

Looks clean, descent price but it's missing a lot of features...

1. Hydraulic steering
2. Trim indicators
3. Fresh water flush on the engines
4. Outside stereo control
5. Stainless cup holders

Also the sun pad looks barren and replaced. Not sure I like that or the graphics. My 0.02

Also the back seat looks like it has been redone too. It looks a little to close to pink/teal combo for me. The blue needs to be a little more blue and red needs to be not so close to pink!

I agree sunpad redone, its definitely a RED RED with blue accent, camera is not showing it well, 2fast9tech2 I agree, missing some of those bling bling features, doesn't appear to be a salt boat, but I think those graphics are snazzy and appears to be a nice boat for the money

Curious to see what it goes for.

Not my boat but same graffics. Pic's wash it out. My personal fav of colors, but of course..we all have our own preferences. LOL.

It is missing the goodies. steering is the biggest let down. I hope to be doing mine this winter....

It makes it a different boat.

no Corsa exhaust either...

It has a silent thunder box, different from what we have. No prop exhaust.

Does the corsa dump in the y pipe and out the transom at the same time or is there a selector that lets you choose.

Exp-what steering system did you go with? If I remember correctly you hired out install, pm your total cost if you dont mind.

It depends, if you have the switchable exhaust there is a selector. If not it just dumps out transom and prop,these are boats with out the box.

Imco, cost around 6200 installed. it was winter thought that was a decent price. Would have only saved about 1500 doing it myself and its a lot of work to do it right. Thats with everything new helm, wheel etc.

PR saw you tried to shoot me a pm...will update my membership but shoot me an email eliot dot c dot austin at gmail dot com with more information and pics if you have them. Thanks