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GeoZ 12-28-2012 10:22 PM

Beware of the 2000 312 Formula Sudden Change
 
Low hours, but the boat was stored for years outdoors, and very poorly. Freeze plugs were pushed out on both engines. Skipper Buds had it on consignment 2 months ago for 15k.

I have pics of the condition.

looseconnection 12-28-2012 11:42 PM

15k for a 312 that has been beat on by the enviroment could be a money pit. What did the interior look like? Motrs and go or gut and start over?

hogie roll 12-29-2012 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by GeoZ (Post 3839169)
Low hours, but the boat was stored for years outdoors, and very poorly. Freeze plugs were pushed out on both engines. Skipper Buds had it on consignment 2 months ago for 15k.

I have pics of the condition.

I'm not seeing it.

T-RAV 12-29-2012 09:17 AM

Where's the pics? Is it still for sale or are you just letting everyone know for when it comes back up for sale?

Greatlaker 12-29-2012 09:35 AM

I could Not Find it what location.

http://www.skipperbuds.com/Page.aspx...Inventory.aspx

Perfect Storm 12-29-2012 01:31 PM

Here it is...
 
Looks like it's now for sale at Pier 57...
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o49136-en.html

Entourage 12-29-2012 02:09 PM

Where did the 15k come from? Looks like they want more that.

GeoZ 12-29-2012 03:53 PM

Skipper Buds listed it for 15k. It was sold. Now its for sale for 50k.

Entourage 12-29-2012 03:58 PM

Even beat up from the elements, wouldn't that be a steal for 15k? I have not had one of these boats that long, but i have had many boats. Even if both motors needed rebuild i think you would still be ahead of the game.

aquaforce 12-29-2012 04:08 PM

The pic claiming it is getting detailed shows rust sign of long weather exposure. My guess is Pier57 fixed it to flip it. Since Formula has a fiberglass linered cockpit it can hold up to a lot more weather than a wood floor boat. That doesn't mean it is impervious to weather damage but a good build helps a lot.

Maybe it is a deal but only a survey would tell.

t500hps 12-29-2012 04:21 PM

I had one and loved it but even buffed/cleaned it's not a $50K boat.

Entourage 12-29-2012 05:19 PM

What price tag should Pier57 have on it?

GeoZ 12-29-2012 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by aquaforce (Post 3839438)
The pic claiming it is getting detailed shows rust sign of long weather exposure. My guess is Pier57 fixed it to flip it. Since Formula has a fiberglass linered cockpit it can hold up to a lot more weather than a wood floor boat. That doesn't mean it is impervious to weather damage but a good build helps a lot.

Maybe it is a deal but only a survey would tell.

It would be hard to get rid of all the mold and mildew. There was also a verticle crack on the starboard side visible from the engine compartment. It had water up to the crank pulleys in the engine compartment. The cuddy had water over the bottom step that was green.
The boat was documented with the USCG if anyone wants the hull ID #. The listed name is SUDDEN CHANGE. USCG documented vessel website has it listed.

Entourage 12-29-2012 07:43 PM

Must have left the drain plug in while outdoors. Its too bad boats like this fall into the wrong hands. The crack is prob from the water freezing in the engine compartment. Handy man special winter project.

GeoZ 12-30-2012 12:57 AM


Originally Posted by Entourage (Post 3839521)
Must have left the drain plug in while outdoors. Its too bad boats like this fall into the wrong hands. The crack is prob from the water freezing in the engine compartment. Handy man special winter project.


The crack was from an impact with a telephone pole type pier. Way above the waterline. Clearly visable from the inside, probably fixed on the outside due to no signs of the incident.


The keel and bow of this boat was perfect, it was never beached. This is a 1 owner boat, and was taken care of. Something happened and it was neglected after the 02 season. The filters were dated 2002 with marker around Halloween of this year. The cockpit cover was destroyed from the elements.

I am saying, buyer beware.

aquaforce 12-30-2012 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by GeoZ (Post 3839596)
The crack was from an impact with a telephone pole type pier. Way above the waterline. Clearly visable from the inside, probably fixed on the outside due to no signs of the incident.


The keel and bow of this boat was perfect, it was never beached. This is a 1 owner boat, and was taken care of. Something happened and it was neglected after the 02 season. The filters were dated 2002 with marker around Halloween of this year. The cockpit cover was destroyed from the elements.

I am saying, buyer beware.

Yes. Buyer beware sounds right if they see this thread.
Can't stress a survey enough. I probably wouldn't look further but I know what it is like when emotions run high.

FIXX 01-14-2013 07:10 PM

fixx
 

Originally Posted by Pier57.com (Post 3848343)
I am not sure of the benefit of starting a thread like this but since it's out there we should probably respond, correct? First of all we have nothing to hide. Yes, this boat has sat for quite awhile, in fact, we think it has sat for up to 9 years. We bought this boat from another local dealer that was selling for a bank. We have NOT and do NOT plan to do any glass work. We have an open door policy and there is not a boat in this building that cannot be surveyed. In fact, we encourage all buyers whether here or somewhere else have a boat surveyed, it's the best $13.00 - $16.00 per ft a buyer can spend.

Not that we need to share but the reason there are not 50-60 pics of this boat up yet, we have not received all the legal paperwork from the bank to sell it therefore, there are other boats in front of it being detailed. We hope to have the correct USCG deletion paperwork from bank this week and then we finish detailing the boat the pics will be up for all to review.

Come on by and see boat for yourself, it's right in the showroom. Yes, it's dirty and will take a few days to clean up but it's not what it's being suggested here. There's no rust on this boat or cracks to our knowledge. When we bought boat, we were told by dealer that someone tried to tell them there was damage that did not exist to try and get a better deal and that another person went as far as to pop a freeze plug out to say it had a cracked block. All compression was excellent, motors run great and have low hours. The gas did smell so we had to pump out and put fresh gas in. As far as water in bilge, there was none when we purchased however there was some water from rain on cabin carpet.

The 15K was an opening bid.

Regards,

Pier 57

www.pier57.com

Do you know what it would take for someone to pop out a freeze plug?? that rite their is a stupid statment.and trying to pry one out is not happening too easy..you think we are all stupid fools????

Open door policy?? just like that poor guy that bought that fountain sport cruiser when you were the other guys name,,anyways that boat was all fixed up and was in a hurricane and it sank in his slip,not once but twice a few weeks apart....

Unlimited jd 01-18-2013 08:56 PM

post up the pics then. and for 15k i wouldnt have surveyed either.

TeamShogren.com 01-18-2013 09:26 PM

Boat Came Out Awesome, Very Clean
 
Boat came out awesome, here's more than 87 pics taken today.

http://www.pier57.com/web/used/Formu...inois/5596820/

Regards,

Pier 57

www.pier57.com


Originally Posted by T-RAV (Post 3839257)
Where's the pics? Is it still for sale or are you just letting everyone know for when it comes back up for sale?


Rwbrew3 01-19-2013 02:33 PM

Wow! Is that the same boat described earlier in this post? Don't see any signs of neglect or weather abuse! Drives look brand new, interior looks flawless etc... If its the same boat as described prior I need my boat detailed by y'all!

Rick

Level III Chaos 01-19-2013 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Pier57.com (Post 3851476)
Boat came out awesome, here's more than 87 pics taken today.

http://www.pier57.com/web/used/Formu...inois/5596820/

Regards,

Pier 57

www.pier57.com


Yeah.............boy that sure looks trashed! LOL That's a fair asking price with 165-ish hours on the engines. Being somewhat of an expert on Formula redo (LOL), and having a 312 myself for a number of years.....it seems like it only needs a new sun pad skin, transom shower cap assembly, and some paint redo on the trailer. Stereo system as nice components for that year age.....Alpine V12 stuff is nice.

I saw the post last night that is now deleted.....not sure if that was in regards to this boat or that other boat mentioned. Good luck........looks like a nice 312!

TeamShogren.com 01-19-2013 04:05 PM

Very Nice Boat
 
Thank you. It's a very nice boat, low hours. There is no question boat sat for along time and it was dirty, very dirty. It took about 70 hours to clean up, buff and change all fluids and filters but it came out great. Thank you to our head detailer who said it was his toughest challenge in 10 years here. Will make a great boat for someone. It needs some minor swim hatch repair, paint or leave trailer, transom shower cap on order and new cockpit cover on order.

Regards,

Pier 57

www.pier57.com


Originally Posted by Level III Chaos (Post 3851779)
Yeah.............boy that sure looks trashed! LOL That's a fair asking price with 165-ish hours on the engines. Being somewhat of an expert on Formula redo (LOL), and having a 312 myself for a number of years.....it seems like it only needs a new sun pad skin, transom shower cap assembly, and some paint redo on the trailer. Stereo system as nice components for that year age.....Alpine V12 stuff is nice.

I saw the post last night that is now deleted.....not sure if that was in regards to this boat or that other boat mentioned. Good luck........looks like a nice 312!


Jordan 01-22-2013 03:14 PM

Nice Job

aquaforce 01-22-2013 07:36 PM

The work shows nice and in part as I said before Formula builds well with top tier materials which endure the elements, last longer and make a come back possible.

I would still do a survey on any boat I buy to have paper and a scientific basis for a decision.

88242LS 01-22-2013 07:57 PM

Personally I think the price is a tad high, but thats just me, IMO redo the sundeck to help,, again just my opinion, I almost bought the last 312 from you guys, can't say anything bad about the staff there at all, they even helped me out on another Formula they sold in the past with some records they dug up for me, did not have to do that,

Again Thanks!!

Full Force 01-23-2013 05:39 AM

[QUOTE=mrfixxall;3848736]Do you know what it would take for someone to pop out a freeze plug?? that rite their is a stupid statment.and trying to pry one out is not happening too easy..you think we are all stupid fools????

QUOTE]

Actually anyone who does engines knows its not that hard, a 1/4 extention and a small hammer, pop it sideways pull plug.... takes 3 seconds... at least thats how I do mine when doing engines....

FIXX 01-23-2013 09:27 PM

fixx
 
[QUOTE=Full Force;3853717]

Originally Posted by mrfixxall (Post 3848736)
Do you know what it would take for someone to pop out a freeze plug?? that rite their is a stupid statment.and trying to pry one out is not happening too easy..you think we are all stupid fools????

QUOTE]

Actually anyone who does engines knows its not that hard, a 1/4 extention and a small hammer, pop it sideways pull plug.... takes 3 seconds... at least thats how I do mine when doing engines....

much easier to pop out when its frozen.. i could tell you first hand that it froze but im not going to go their...

NEXT!!.

Full Force 01-24-2013 05:11 AM

[QUOTE=mrfixxall;3854251]

Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 3853717)

much easier to pop out when its frozen.. i could tell you first hand that it froze but im not going to go their...

NEXT!!.

right, I dont know either way what happened,just stating its easy to pop a freeze plug...then again, if it froze, popped a plug, was fixed and ran since then there is no issue either, thats what why they call them freeze plugs... 50,000 is still too much though when there are so many deals out there...

brian41 01-24-2013 06:18 AM

We call them welsh plugs and if a freeze took them out I would be looking for other damage.

GeoZ 03-07-2013 08:10 PM

If anyone wants the hull ID # send a PM.


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