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50viking 05-30-2018 03:23 PM

99 271 fastech trying reach 80mph please help
 
installed all the proper steering tabs and xr drive then built a 675 565 cu inch motor and it just wont get going greater then 20 percent drag cant spin a 28 bravo 4 blade to 5400 only 5k and 73 mph tried a 30 and same thing tried a 26 and 71mph but hit 5400-5500 has anyone reached 80 plus and what did u do please help this is getting expensive do i need a bigger motor i love the boat its in great shape runs well just not producing the speed im trying to get any setup ideas tried and true methods would be greatly appreciated thanks guys eddie 631 4873557 the prop shaft center is 5 inches below pad and and x demension is 18 '' from bottom of pad to crankshaft thanks guys I have an XR. drive 150 ratio

97FASTech 05-30-2018 05:27 PM

Another piece of the equation will be your drive gear ratio. Do you know that? That should help some of the guru's figure this out.

snapmorgan 05-30-2018 06:55 PM

It took 750hp for my 28 Advantage to hit 80mph, and it had a couple of small steps in the hull.

oconnor marine 05-31-2018 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by 50viking (Post 4629202)
installed all the proper steering tabs and xr drive then built a 675 565 cu inch motor and it just wont get going greater then 20 percent drag cant spin a 28 bravo 4 blade to 5400 only 5k and 73 mph tried a 30 and same thing tried a 26 and 71mph but hit 5400-5500 has anyone reached 80 plus and what did u do please help this is getting expensive do i need a bigger motor i love the boat its in great shape runs well just not producing the speed im trying to get any setup ideas tried and true methods would be greatly appreciated thanks guys eddie 631 4873557 the prop shaft center is 5 inches below pad and and x demension is 18 '' from bottom of pad to crankshaft thanks guys I have an XR. drive 150 ratio

are you sure you are making 675 HP? I thought those hulls go 72 with 500 HP. I had a 242 that I added 100 HP and gained 5 mph...so your hull should be going about 80 if you have 675 HP.....

SB 05-31-2018 05:54 AM

50Viking - to get this out of the way too, what elevation do you run at ?

50viking 05-31-2018 04:57 PM

As per ............. this motor makes 700 which is becoming questionable I am running at sea level I walked interest shop said I need to run above 80 mph he said I have this motor and I bought it and it fell well short of expectations now I’m stuck with a motor that is sub par for what my goal was money wasn’t an issue at the time seems I must ProCharger now because there is no guarantee other then what I was told from the engine builder my 509 went 3-5 mph slower and that came with the boat I just wanted to get low 80 s I’m in a hole big time

SB 05-31-2018 05:32 PM

That Merc 525SC supercharger is too small for your 565 Viking...if that's what you where inquiring about over in the for sale section.

phragle 05-31-2018 05:33 PM

Well... The motor Im finishing should make about 625...Im praying to kiss 80 and that is a 22 foot boat thats a LOT lighter than yours.....

Dry weight best I can find is about 5750,,,given the fact that every mfg's dry weight number is more optimistic than it pitot speedo, with gear people fuel, beer cooler etc your probably looking at 7000 pounds. so when we plug 7000 pounds.+ a constant of 240 ( resonabley good shape single step bottom), 675 hp and an optimistic 8-9% slip. into the bam speed calculator (which is pretty good when given realistic infornation) you get a top speed of 75 mph, per the calculator to hit 80 you need at least 778 hp. blueprint the bottom, put the boat on a diet, you can get close with 675 hp Also when doing the math with your max 71 speed, your motor (if everything else is good) is making about 100 hp less than claimed....

http://www.go-fast.com/boat_speed_predictions.htm

https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...stech-mph.html


https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...top-speed.html

SB 05-31-2018 05:34 PM

Viking, any chance in heck you are in Texas ?
There is a guy that has a prop dynbo in TX that is a member here. He is retired but maybe interested in making some money ?

50viking 05-31-2018 07:58 PM

It’s very upsetting to not know how to handle this regarding the engine builder he pretty much said I tried and I’m stuck w the motor I live in ny and I believe there is one in New Jersey this was supposed to be exciting didn’t realize who I was dealing with and he has engines for sale in this site

phragle 05-31-2018 08:07 PM

Alway come here first.... if your not sure, ask us...

anything in writing? hwta was it reoresented as?? who was the shop? what specifically were you told, whats the build sheet say??

50viking 05-31-2018 08:51 PM

Basically I walked in to shop said I had to spin a 30 at 5500 to get at least 80 mph he said oh I can do that for ya so I payed the guy and he removed installed the new motor and I trailered it home to test it by myself because he said he no way of putting it in the water so after buying 2000 dollars in props and a bunch of time the best I got was 73 w a 4 blade 28 and I have oil leaking all over builder that we still don’t have. A date to correct maybe next week he said in writing I just have a few notes and the prices for all the additional work like paint job rand r and on the heading it says 700 hp there is no way it’s 700 hp any advice on my next move would be greatly appreciated the motor sounds good but it doesn’t push the boat to the speed I payed for I told him I want an 80 mph. BOat didn’t haggle the price I payed an enormous amount of money for 5 mph at best I feel like I’m stuck ina position

Zone 5 05-31-2018 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4629464)
Well... The motor Im finishing should make about 625...Im praying to kiss 80 and that is a 22 foot boat thats a LOT lighter than yours.....

Dry weight best I can find is about 5750,,,given the fact that every mfg's dry weight number is more optimistic than it pitot speedo, with gear people fuel, beer cooler etc your probably looking at 7000 pounds. so when we plug 7000 pounds.+ a constant of 240 ( resonabley good shape single step bottom), 675 hp and an optimistic 8-9% slip. into the bam speed calculator (which is pretty good when given realistic infornation) you get a top speed of 75 mph, per the calculator to hit 80 you need at least 778 hp. blueprint the bottom, put the boat on a diet, you can get close with 675 hp Also when doing the math with your max 71 speed, your motor (if everything else is good) is making about 100 hp less than claimed....

The boat on trailer with 1/2 tank of fuel (50 gal) weighed 7400 lbs on certified scale, Trailer weighed 1700. So boat weight was 5700 with fuel and gear, no passengers.

phragle 05-31-2018 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 4629497)
The boat on trailer with 1/2 tank of fuel (50 gal) weighed 7400 lbs on certified scale, Trailer weighed 1700. So boat weight was 5700 with fuel and gear, no passengers.


So adding 200 for operator...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...d062dfc867.jpg

Zone 5 05-31-2018 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4629502)
So adding 200 for operator...

I think you are being nice to the boat using 250. :-) that hull isn't that good. That boat with around 600 HP ran 72

phragle 05-31-2018 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 4629506)
I think you are being nice to the boat using 250. :-) that hull isn't that good. That boat with around 600 HP ran 72

That helps..since any input can be the variable, if we put in 5900# 600 hp and 72 mph we get a constant of 225, no remove the hp and plug in 80 mph he is going to need 739 hp and if he is puching a 6000 single with 740 hp, he is going to need a new bravo real soon....

50viking 06-01-2018 06:29 AM

i appreciate everyones time regarding my situation im leaning towards a procharger m3sc kit as i do not want to cut up the hatch what do u all think as i am learning to ask the professionals lol

phragle 06-01-2018 06:48 AM

Whats the compression of your motor?? whats the valve train/cam? Do you have someone that can tune it? Thats a decent size boat with a bravo. are you ready to upgrade the drive and or replace it? Do you have the knowledge to properly setup the fuel system? is the oil system up to the task? Is your bank account comfortable with it??

Craney 06-01-2018 08:34 AM

I think before you start throwing money at it you need to find out what is in that motor and how much hp it does make.Then start adding hp to it.

50viking 06-01-2018 08:38 AM

You guys are great Comp is 9.8:1 has brodex Heads 360 cc dart block eagle crank I have a aero 1000 pump w a return line already plumbed also I have upgraded to Xr drive no my bank account is not happy so I’m trying to sell my 509 that ran great and the bravo drive all fresh water stuff w low hrs so that may help not sure what oil system has to do w it but everything u guys say I value greatly don’t want hurt the engine builder name but he sure missed the mark maybe a long winter had his intentions twisted

phragle 06-01-2018 09:31 AM

At 9.8:1 I'm not sure how much boost I would want to throw at it. And you get up over 700 hp, xr or not a bravo will not be your friend . You have 2 motors, leave one in the boat and enjoy it while you do a proper build on the other

50viking 06-01-2018 10:48 AM

Will be changing head gasket to 80 and that will reduce compression to a safe number it does have arp 200 hardware for rod bolts

snowrunner 06-01-2018 01:53 PM

What exhaust are you running?

50viking 06-01-2018 02:39 PM

stainless marine 4 '' nickerson said that would be fine and spoke to me about past experiences that have worked fine i understand it takes alot of hp to move this 271 but in life a mans word is his word and thats all u got sometimes i was completely mislead and am excepting this regarding my dealings w this builder

phragle 06-01-2018 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by 50viking (Post 4629594)
Will be changing head gasket to 80 and that will reduce compression to a safe number it does have arp 200 hardware for rod bolts

Have you considered what running a thick head gasket will do to the quench?

50viking 06-01-2018 07:00 PM

May lost 25 hp but not much at 825 hp I’ll take the lost for it to work Comp wise appreciation all the insight thanks a lot guys

phragle 06-01-2018 07:21 PM

please dont take this the wrong way...I want your build to be succesful and your goals reached,,, just trying to save you more headaches.... Im not an engine builder by a long shot, just finished my first motor, but as I found doing that its not as simple as just bolting parts together you think will work. I dont know what you want for quench, but to much can actually lead to detonation even with lower compression if you have too much.... those non blower piston and rings which had enough gap NA can butt ends and shatter the top pf the pistons under boost.... Your going to need some major carb work to go with the procharger and probably need larger diameter from the tank back and it just keeps going........

THats why I suggest keeping the other motor, building one over time while enjoying the boat with the other motor, while you use the right pistons, rings, the right cam etc.... Plus that gives you a backup motor should your new blower motor go boom. It keeps you from getting discouraged as you keep spending money on more parts while your 27 foot yard ornament collects dust and your friends are out on their boats.

50viking 06-01-2018 08:18 PM

Absolutely right I am not offended thankyou for ur time and interesting comments I will be talking w engine builder tomorrow thanks again

Baja Rooster 06-01-2018 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by 50viking (Post 4629665)
May lost 25 hp but not much at 825 hp I’ll take the lost for it to work Comp wise appreciation all the insight thanks a lot guys

If you create too much quench it can be more harmful than the higher compression. It seems mostly that the engine builder made some naive promises. Hopefully you all get it sorted out.

ph1971 06-02-2018 07:24 AM

What carb is on it? Sounds like it’s running out of steam up top..

jwurl 06-02-2018 08:35 PM

When I built my first motor on my 2000 fastech 271 it dynod 693hp. Boat would run right at 80 on gps with 100 gallons of fuel and 4 people onboard spinning a box stock 28 pitch bravo 1 prop and a standard length 1.50 bravo Xr. Current motor is 713hp and it is way underpropped . Get 80+ out of it running the same 28p bravo one prop with plenty of throttle left. Tried running a bigger prop but the time to get up on plane is soooo slow so 28p is good all around. Tried running a 5 blade but the hull does not like it. Jeff wurl

jwurl 06-02-2018 08:41 PM

By the way when my boat had the box stock 502 mag I could get 68 mph on gps with a labbed 28 pitch bravo one prop and the 1.65 drive . You have a motor problem or you motor is not producing anywhere near 675 hp. Jeff wurl


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