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F14A water jet 10-22-2019 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4711843)
We’ll figure it out!

The biggest hurdle for me is, “time off.”

And I’m sure there are those that are concerned with me going to Florida... I might never come back!

there should be enough room on the redneck Riviera for you and all of your friends

F14A water jet 12-01-2019 09:44 AM

As I learn my new boat...are there any downsides to trimming the motors "in" and as I come out of the hole/accelerate, using the "trailer" up button to move both motors together, to trim "out"? Watching out for too much out trim (due to trim limit switch being bypassed by the trailer button)?

TomZ 12-01-2019 11:08 AM

Tom,

On mine you cannot do that. The trailer switch is disabled when the keys are on. Of course mine is a TRS... your Bravo setup may be different

Are you saying that your trim limit switches are preventing you from being able to get the maximum trim out of the drives/boat?

On my boat all of rhe switches at the drives are disabled (from the factory). I can trim to the point of breaking something if I wanted. Your Bravo boat isn’t that way?


TomZ 12-01-2019 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4711843)
We’ll figure it out!

The biggest hurdle for me is, “time off.”

And I’m sure there are those that are concerned with me going to Florida... I might never come back!

I was just looking at past posts and saw that I said “well figure it out”.... was supposed to be “we’ll figure it out.” Totally changes the context! Anyway, just wanted to clarify. ;)

badmonkey 12-01-2019 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by F14A water jet (Post 4711840)
I see Bad Monkey sold his go fast. How do we get you to down to the Gulf Coast?

we did sell our Fastech. Going into a performance CC. We are also looking at places in Sarasota FLA. Would love to come down and boat in the gulf. Going to be a year before we get new boat.

F14A water jet 12-01-2019 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4716894)
Tom,
On mine you cannot do that. The trailer switch is disabled when the keys are on. Of course mine is a TRS... your Bravo setup may be different
Are you saying that your trim limit switches are preventing you from being able to get the maximum trim out of the drives/boat?
On my boat all of rhe switches at the drives are disabled (from the factory). I can trim to the point of breaking something if I wanted. Your Bravo boat isn’t that way?

I will check if "trailer" is disabled with key on.
I do not know if the limit switches are accurately set (I will assume previous owners calibrated them)...I just was trying to figure a simple way to move both motors up in parallel/together.
Limit switches seem to work...but I was warned (previous owner) that the Latham drive cylinders can impact the swim platform if you lift (probably with trailer switch) the drives too high.

F14A water jet 12-01-2019 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by badmonkey (Post 4716913)

we did sell our Fastech. Going into a performance CC. We are also looking at places in Sarasota FLA. Would love to come down and boat in the gulf. Going to be a year before we get new boat.

This place is full of performance center consoles with 2-5 outboards. I know you are probably headed straight down I-95 (towards Sarasota-by the way...GREAT location) but if you venture west, we've got dock space on the north side of Perdido Key.

F14A water jet 03-07-2020 09:18 AM

The boat is down in Florida now...just waiting on my new boat lift to be finished before putting her up in the "bird house".
See pictures below of my previous boats.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...53584f2198.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...8b0cde763a.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...49ca1a6134.jpg

Car Biz 03-13-2020 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by F14A water jet (Post 4716955)
I will check if "trailer" is disabled with key on.
I do not know if the limit switches are accurately set (I will assume previous owners calibrated them)...I just was trying to figure a simple way to move both motors up in parallel/together.
Limit switches seem to work...but I was warned (previous owner) that the Latham drive cylinders can impact the swim platform if you lift (probably with trailer switch) the drives too high.

On my 311 all i had was the dash switches. I would run them up and had my wife measure off the ground when they were parallel to the ground and raised them to the max height before it would cause damage and marked the trim panel with a dot on each. after that i just did GPS runs to see at which point the boat lost speed and i would move them back down

F14A water jet 03-13-2020 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Car Biz (Post 4729230)
On my 311 all i had was the dash switches. I would run them up and had my wife measure off the ground when they were parallel to the ground and raised them to the max height before it would cause damage and marked the trim panel with a dot on each. after that i just did GPS runs to see at which point the boat lost speed and i would move them back down

Thanks, I will check again (and I did mark "measured/observed" level/neutral trim on my indicator) BUT it seems that full/damage/impact (swim platform) up is off the trim indicator scale.

F14A water jet 04-21-2020 10:07 AM

Its been almost a year since my post that started this thread. The eagle has landed. I guess I should say Thunderbird has landed or Osprey (which are plentiful here) or Heron (who seems to own my dock, see attached)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...d611ac3402.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a68e89a2a3.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...7529d7be3c.jpg



ph1971 04-21-2020 07:30 PM

Yeah man!

JimNut 04-22-2020 03:17 PM

Very nice! I'm currently in the market for a 311 but having a hard time finding one. Currently I have a very clean 272 (320efi/AlphaSS package) that I'm going to have a hard time parting with but looking to go a bit bigger. where did you find it?


Alwhite00 04-22-2020 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by JimNut (Post 4735023)
Very nice! I'm currently in the market for a 311 but having a hard time finding one. Currently I have a very clean 272 (320efi/AlphaSS package) that I'm going to have a hard time parting with but looking to go a bit bigger. where did you find it?

keep me posted if you list it. Thanks

JimNut 04-22-2020 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by Alwhite00 (Post 4735040)
keep me posted if you list it. Thanks

When I list the boat I will be sure to let you know but it may be a while. I need to find the replacement before I'm willing to let this one go. Boat shopping is supposed to be fun but this is more stressful than anything haha

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...493d57ec08.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...2288824d86.jpg

F14A water jet 04-23-2020 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by JimNut (Post 4735023)
Very nice! I'm currently in the market for a 311 but having a hard time finding one. Currently I have a very clean 272 (320efi/AlphaSS package) that I'm going to have a hard time parting with but looking to go a bit bigger. where did you find it?

I almost got a 292 BUT I love the 311 (from Maryland outside of DC BUT it was a Michigan, NY Finger Lakes boat well known on this forum) with UPGRADED power, Latham steering and 280 trim tabs!

F14A water jet 04-23-2020 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by Alwhite00 (Post 4735040)
keep me posted if you list it. Thanks

Roger that, BUT I tend to mate for life...I've had a car for 34 years!

Pismo10 04-27-2020 02:41 PM

320 AlphaSS in a 272 sound very interesting

F14A water jet 05-07-2020 02:16 PM

Okay, maybe its the salt water, light chop, cooler air (in the 70s) but the F311 "flew" on the intracoastal waterway (Grande Lagoon, Pensacola) at a GPS'd 77-78 mph without any real trim work or fine tuning. :-)
This is with the "more efficient cruise but slower" 28P, 4-blade Bravo props, 3/4 fuel, two people, 5,100rpms

TomZ 05-07-2020 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by F14A water jet (Post 4737770)
Okay, maybe its the salt water, light chop, cooler air (in the 70s) but the F311 "flew" on the intracoastal waterway (Grande Lagoon, Pensacola) at a GPS'd 77-78 mph without any real trim work or fine tuning. :-)
This is with the "more efficient cruise but slower" 28P, 4-blade Bravo props, 3/4 fuel, two people, 5,100rpms

Sweet!!

Slip calculated at 14%. What were you trimmed out at?

F14A water jet 05-07-2020 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4737772)
Sweet!!

Slip calculated at 14%. What were you trimmed out at?

I don't know...:-( I was busy :-)
My scan/awareness is down while I work on my comfort level.
My wife said that I called out 77-78 MPH and I did have the drives "out"...my drive indicators say about 3-4 when the drives are (measured) flat to the boat bottom. I think I ran them out to about 7-8.
I'm not 100% sure of the rpms either...BUT I will get better/more precise with practice (more stick and throttle time).

Redneckcustoms13 05-08-2020 07:45 AM

That is fuggin moving in that big bird!

F14A water jet 05-08-2020 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Redneckcustoms13 (Post 4737845)
That is fuggin moving in that big bird!

Gotta shout out to previous owners who maintained and modified her (Kevlar382, Dba1062, JP, and RD)
I like the simplicity of normally aspirated big blocks.

Redneckcustoms13 05-08-2020 10:22 AM

N.a. big blocks making awesome power to get that big bird up and flying. No lie, I am thoroughly impressed.

MyIsland 05-08-2020 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by F14A water jet (Post 4737851)
Gotta shout out to previous owners who maintained and modified her (Kevlar382, Dba1062, JP, and RD)
I like the simplicity of normally aspirated big blocks.

what do you have for horsepower and engine specs? Does that boat have bravos? I got a 311 thinking of possible future upgrades. Thanks

F14A water jet 05-08-2020 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by MyIsland (Post 4737916)
what do you have for horsepower and engine specs? Does that boat have bravos? I got a 311 thinking of possible future upgrades. Thanks

Blue 454s bored and stroked and full roller to 496... they are reported to be 500+ horsepower clones. Latham hydraulic steering,K280 trim plates, Bravo drive with cones and showers. 28 pitch, 4-blade Bravo props... and an understanding wife.

MyIsland 05-08-2020 02:51 PM

Excellent. Thank you.

ph1971 05-08-2020 07:11 PM

You have to love it when everything find its way into line and the angels start singing. That cool dry air we had this week didn’t hurt. Perfect wind chop is also a difficult temptation to resist and my wife knows it well enough now to lean over and tell me, “I think you need to blow some of this stale gas out of this thing.” So I stop and toss the anchor of course.

F14A water jet 05-08-2020 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by ph1971 (Post 4737954)
So I stop and toss the anchor of course.

:-)


TomZ 05-08-2020 11:56 PM

Tom, she’s making a lot of power. I would say 575+ to get that out of her.

TomZ 05-08-2020 11:57 PM

A 27 Mirage might even get you bumping on 80. That’s flying!

F14A water jet 05-09-2020 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4737970)
Tom, she’s making a lot of power. I would say 575+ to get that out of her.

As I get more comfortable, I will try to fully document/baseline the #s/performance (rpm/mph, etc...)
I have optional 3 blade, 27P, Mirage plus that are supposed to be the top speed props (allowing the engines to achieve higher rpms...closer to their design max)...BUT as it is right now, I'm PLEASED with the package.
I will say, 1 hour of playing...4 hours of flushing/cleaning/etc...
:-)

TomZ 05-09-2020 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by F14A water jet (Post 4737985)
As I get more comfortable, I will try to fully document/baseline the #s/performance (rpm/mph, etc...)
I have optional 3 blade, 27P, Mirage plus that are supposed to be the top speed props (allowing the engines to achieve higher rpms...closer to their design max)...BUT as it is right now, I'm PLEASED with the package.
I will say, 1 hour of playing...4 hours of flushing/cleaning/etc...
:-)

Tom, sounds like you’ve got her dialed in pretty nicely. If you wanted to go for a hero run, you could try the 3-blades but the cupping of the Plus props might not give up enough RPM to make it worth it.

Being a fresh water boat running on the rivers and such, I’ll bet she’s never been as fast as you’ve had her. With some time behind the wheel, I’ll bet you can start sneaking up on 80. A shorter lower would get you there too... if you really got the speed bug going.

You’ve really got me wanting to build my 600’s!

And yes... one hour of fun equals hours of cleaning. Personally, I don’t mind it much. I crank up the tunes and get to work.

TomZ 05-09-2020 10:50 AM

The flyby on your Facebook post is awesome!!

F14A water jet 05-09-2020 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4738019)
The flyby on your Facebook post is awesome!!

When I used earbuds (instead of crummy laptop speakers) and cranked it up...I am happy with the sound and performance! Then about a 38-42 foot center console with 4 400 outboards went by at full gallop...:-)

ph1971 05-10-2020 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4738019)
The flyby on your Facebook post is awesome!!

I think that should definitely be uploaded here.

F14A water jet 05-10-2020 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by ph1971 (Post 4738218)
I think that should definitely be uploaded here.

I tried, it did not like it?

F14A water jet 05-10-2020 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by ph1971 (Post 4738218)
I think that should definitely be uploaded here.

I tried, it did not like it?


F14A water jet 05-10-2020 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by ph1971 (Post 4738218)
I think that should definitely be uploaded here.

I tried, it did not like it? See if this works.
http://www.facebook.com/tom.baranek....3972120981413/


Redneckcustoms13 05-11-2020 09:00 AM

Tom, what if you put it on youtube then post the link or embed it in your post?


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