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offthefront 11-10-2004 04:07 PM

wont be long now ....
 
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almost done ...was hoping for this week but looks like next ....

offthefront 11-10-2004 04:10 PM

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Russ .. check out the wedges ....

Formula Outlaw 11-10-2004 09:08 PM

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Mike, is that what you made up for the exhaust to run through the transom? Looks like a good idea. What are milled from? What did they cost each? You mounting them on the inside or the outside?

Reason I'm asking is I have to have four spacers milled out for my exhaust. Eddie Marine discontinued them and I HAVE to have them. Was just wondering what they might cost me. I'm finding out tmorrow. Visiting a couple of machine shops. Am going to have the spacers milled from aluminum to match the manifolds and risers.

Then all I need is: 2 batteries, relocate (again) my fuel/water seperators, install a slightly smaller fan belt on the starboard motor only, port motor clears fine (?}, receive and install the correct Stainless Marine tips, and finish cleaning the transom. And of course hook up everything. Don't think I'll be ready by this weekend either. :D

Audiofn 11-11-2004 06:16 AM

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Off the Front. If those are going btwn your risers and manifolds then I would suggest that you pin them in place. If those things move even just a very little bit then you will get a bad water leak. I am not sure what else you can do other then what you did. If you have a machinist put in like 4 pins into them btwn the holesthen you should be fine. What I am talking about is like what you have on your heads that hold the gasket and head in alignment.

Jon

offthefront 11-11-2004 06:27 AM

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those are the wedges for exhaust ....to get an angle back to original holes in transom ....200.00 for the set ....which was a deal ....other prices were 90.00-100.00 each ....solid Aluminum ...you need a shop that has a CNC setup ...very accurate ... we're going to try the flexpipe through the transom with Transom rings and seals ...flappers on the flexpipe ...I'll get some pics when we get it setup ...Got the Valve covers from Fred ...artwork ...

offthefront 11-11-2004 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Audiofn
Off the Front. If those are going btwn your risers and manifolds then I would suggest that you pin them in place. If those things move even just a very little bit then you will get a bad water leak. I am not sure what else you can do other then what you did. If you have a machinist put in like 4 pins into them btwn the holesthen you should be fine. What I am talking about is like what you have on your heads that hold the gasket and head in alignment.

Jon

water ? there is no water tranfer from EM's to pipes except thru hose to the pipes ...and the water dumps at the end of pipes ...kinda semi dry ... is a good idea though ...

cuda 11-11-2004 09:02 AM

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Mike, we will be in Palatka this weekend if you want to come up sometime.

offthefront 11-11-2004 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cuda
Mike, we will be in Palatka this weekend if you want to come up sometime.

Hey Joe .....you guys going to be at Holiday Inn ? You know where you will be friday nite and saturday nite ? I think i got your Cell # ...

Audiofn 11-11-2004 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by offthefront
water ? there is no water tranfer from EM's to pipes except thru hose to the pipes ...and the water dumps at the end of pipes ...kinda semi dry ... is a good idea though ...

I know that they do not transfer water like the Merc stock units but I thought that they have the opening for water at the top of the manifold? I know that my Gils are like that. If that is the case water can come in under the gasket (or over) and get into the motors and cause www.badthings.com to happen

Audiofn 11-11-2004 09:45 AM

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OK now who clicked on my fake link :D:D

Jon

offthefront 11-11-2004 10:40 AM

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here they are .....

Audiofn 11-11-2004 11:06 AM

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ok those are totally different then mine are.

Jon

offthefront 11-11-2004 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Audiofn
ok those are totally different then mine are.

Jon

I am told those were made by Gil ....but the pipes are Stainless Marine ....

I still think the pin is a good idea ....

jaybird 11-11-2004 11:20 AM

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Spacers made out of aluminum in salt water, hot salt water as well? I don't think that is the best material choice, unless you are planning to coat them or at least paint them.

Russ, you are going to need slots in yours so the water can flow up to the risers for cooling. I'm sure you already knew that, but just throwing it out there.

offthefront 11-11-2004 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jaybird
Spacers made out of aluminum in salt water, hot salt water as well? I don't think that is the best material choice, unless you are planning to coat them or at least paint them.

Russ, you are going to need slots in yours so the water can flow up to the risers for cooling. I'm sure you already knew that, but just throwing it out there.

They dont get wet .....in theory ....again though ....paint ... keep um coming guys ...

guess I could PC them ....

Formula Outlaw 11-11-2004 03:37 PM

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Thanks Jay. I dropped one of the risers off to the machine shop this afternoon and he's going to just follow the pattern. Should work out well. "Rohr's" does a lot of work with boats. Tom has been doing this stuff for 30 years.

offthefront 11-11-2004 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Formula Outlaw
Thanks Jay. I dropped one of the risers off to the machine shop this afternoon and he's going to just follow the pattern. Should work out well. "Rohr's" does a lot of work with boats. Tom has been doing this stuff for 30 years.

Russ .. water xfers to the risers thru the EM's ? Similar to a stock setup ?

Formula Outlaw 11-11-2004 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by offthefront
Russ .. water xfers to the risers thru the EM's ? Similar to a stock setup ?

I believe so yes. Scott plugged the threaded openings with brass plugs where hoses would go so I assume it basically as a stock set up. The water jackets are certainly visible at the bottom of the riser. I'm getting excited, I just might get this together yet.

As both the manifolds and the risers, (and the spacers) are aluminum, I think it's a good idea to have the water running through them to keep them cooler. This is just my own idea, may make no difference, I don't know.

offthefront 11-12-2004 03:20 AM

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we thought about the heat ...kept em as thin as we could so not to expose so much metal to the exhaust ....we'l see ........ I bet those puppies (3"spacers) are gona be $$ ..with the water passages ... dont forget you will need an extra gasket ... you riding over to lake George Saturday ?

Formula Outlaw 11-12-2004 07:21 AM

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As much as I'd love to I'm going to work half a day on a side job I picked up and them come home and work on Outlaw. I still have a ways to go on getting the back of the transom cleaned up and I've gotta figure out how I'm going to "end" the stripes that wrap around the corner and kind of just go "blah" because they were hidden by the box. Have not figured that out yet. Might just use some teal tape to make a "clean" end to all of it. Don't know yet. Someday the whole boat will be painted high gloss white. But that is a long ways down the road.

I've still gotta figure out how to move the new Racorp fuel/water seperators away from the new manifolds. The starboard motor is actually up against it quite hard and the port motor only has about a sixteenth of an inch clearance. Way too close with vibration. That bracket would eat through that aluminum manifold with vibration.

Have to downsize slightly one alternator belt as the port motor alternator hits. Luckily I have enough "adjustment" to downsize and still have adjustment left and clear the manifold.

And of course the bracket issue. Eddie Marine is supposedly sending them to me but I'll believe it when they get here.

And let's not forget the two new batteries I need. I killed both of them during the hurricanes by leaving the battery switch on. They were four plus years old so I guess it was time, and my stupidity for leaving the damn switch on.

Also have to replace on cable for drive indicators. One is stuck and won't move. They ought to install grease nipples on them so you can grease the damn things. As much money as engineers make, why is the little things they can't seem to ever get right? I mean how much more would it cost to put a couple of grease fittings in? I just don't understand it. It's like they don't want the cables to last. Idiots.

I was also smart enough to change all the plugs while the manifolds were off. One set were really rough. That motor was down about 200 rpms last time out and looking at the plugs told me the reason why. Have no clue how long they'd been in.

When I think about finally getting back on the water Foreigner's song comes to mind: "It feels like the first time, feels like the very first time...." :D :D Russ

offthefront 11-12-2004 11:21 AM

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your getting there ...just went by the shop and they have everything they need cept the hoses from the manifolds to the pipes are too short since we put the angles in ... we replaced both drive indicator cables on mine too ...one kept seizing ...also the shift cables from the motor to the drives ... I went last Sunday to look at that 292 in daytona last weekend ... a ton of wear on that boat ...guy said it was mint ...but the shifters were ALOT easier than mine ...I have told the shop for 2 months something wasn't right ....It was ok just to shift to Forward or reverse ...but trying to manuver was almost impossible ...Shame we havent been out the weather has been great for 6 weeks ....still want to spend the nite out and now is perfect ...70 during the day and cool at nite ...

Formula Outlaw 11-12-2004 01:00 PM

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Yeah, the Bravo shifters are wierd. Some shift a lot easier than others. Maybe the age of the cables, maybe the condition of the clutch cone in the drive. Beats me.

Yeah the weather is gorgous all right. Will be nice for the next four or five months. I love the winters here.

Slowly but surely, the day shall come. (just hope it's by New Year's or Cuda's gonna have my azz)


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