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CObarry 02-12-2005 09:39 PM

Report on trip to see 336
 
I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to attend due to work issues, but finally got things worked out so I caught a red eye Thursday night and got to the dealer by 9:30 the next morning. I was too excited to sleep on the plane, so I ended up pulling over twice on the way to the marina to catch a couple of cat naps.

The surveyor had just finished the exterior hull inspection when I arrived, and he reported that it was in excellent condition. He found one small 3/4" long chip that should be filled, but that was it. There are a couple of minor scratches in the blue part of the graphics, but far less than you would expect from a 9 year old boat. It looks like they could be easily touched up, and if so the boat would look new from the outside. The gelcoat still has like-new shine.

The silent thunder box is leaking at the transom, mostly on the starboard side. He also found evidence of the exhaust ports on the starboard side having gotten hot and melted some of the plastic at the opening.

He checked the outdrives and found very little play in them...good news; I was expecting issues given the number of hours on the boat. He discovered a stick wedged in the exhaust port of one of the drives, which isn't used anyway, but it's something I never would have found. Getting it out may require some disassembly.

He checked all stringers and bulkheads, and found just one area where standing water had seeped into a bulkhead, just under the step at the entrance to the cabin. The bulkhead passed him hammer test, but he suggested drilling a hole in it to check the exact condition. Given where it was, I decided not to do it. I'll at least wait until the area is drained and completely dry. He hasn't seen many Formulas, and commented on how well made this one is. He was very impressed with the general build quality.

The cabin looks like it was barely used; not a mark on the upholstery anywhere. The ultra leather that Formula uses is incredibly soft to the touch...I spent some time just sitting in there and reading while he was checking the boat over.

He began a visual check of the engines, and found nothing of any note, other than a broken resistor on one of the alternators. The gaskets throughout the exhaust system look in good shape, and no evidence of any water leaks.

The bolsters and the rear bench are in great shape, and don't look like they've had the amount of wear I would have expected. The biggest negative of the boat is the upholstery on the sun pad and on the top of the rear seat headrests. There are a couple of 3-4 inch long tears along the stitching on the sunpad, and the horizontal surfaces of the head rests are discolored pretty badly.

Cosmetically, the boat would look new again with some touch up of the graphics and reupholstering of the sun pad.

I'm sure I'm missing some things, but still tired from the trip.

Next, it was time for the sea trial. They backed the boat down into the water, and both engines fired up within a couple seconds and idled smoothly. I LOVE the sound of those big blocks! The silent thunder is actually starting to grow on me. I like the deep rumble sound at idle, and although they are rather quiet at speed, my wife will like it. Contrary to our Malibu, which is ultra quiet at idle, but almost unbearable at >4000 RPM.

I almost forgot...getting the boat out of the shop and into the bright sunlight makes the graphics really come alive. None of the pictures will do the colors justice. This day was bright blue sunshine, and the large blue area of the graphics almost matched the sky. Also, what I thought was black was really a deep purple, which is a great complement to the blue. I almost closed the deal on the spot just seeing it in the sunlight.

After warming the engines up we headed out into the lake. Although the salesman and the surveyor complained about the cool temperatures, I thought that 45 felt great, but then again I spend much of my time in Colorado.

The salesman has been great to work with, and has bent over backwards to take pictures of the boat, pull service records, etc., but he admitted he isn't an expert performance boat driver. He had difficulty getting the boat to perform, so we went back and picked up another salesman who was supposedly their expert. He dialed the boat in pretty quickly, and we saw 71.5 mph on my handheld GPS. I was thrilled, because with the number of hours on the 502's I thought they would be doing well to get the boat near 70. BTW, this was with 4 good sized adults on board at 900' altitude. When I get the boat to LOTO, I think I should be able to see at least 72-73 by myself at the 660' elevation there. Based on the results, I'm not sure if I will spend money on the compression test, since I plan to rebuild for more power in a seaon or two anyway.

There weren't many boats out, and there was very little wind so we had to generate our own waves to see how it rode in some chop. It's pretty tough to do; for a boat of this size and weight it actually puts out very little wake. What we managed to generate didn't even affect the boat...it just plowed right through the waves.

The only other downside of the deal is the trailer that comes with the boat. It's all aluminum, but that's about the only good part of it. The wheels are galvanized steel and ugly, the tires are dry rotted, and there are brakes on only 1 axle. It's not a big issue since I'll sell it once I get to LOTO (the boat will be on a lift under a covered dock), but I had hoped to be able to get some reasonable money for it, and based on its condition I'm not expecting much.

This must be pretty long by now, and I've left out a lot, so I'll add some pictures in the next few posts...

Formula Outlaw 02-12-2005 09:47 PM

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Sounds pretty good from here......good luck....:drink:

offthefront 02-12-2005 09:49 PM

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Sounds sweet .....lets see it .....

offthefront 02-12-2005 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Formula Outlaw
Sounds pretty good from here......good luck....:drink:

you following me ?

should be nice weather tomoorw ?

cuda 02-13-2005 12:35 AM

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Welcome to the family. You can never leave.

Formula Outlaw 02-13-2005 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by offthefront
you following me ?

should be nice weather tomoorw ?


Sunny out, starting to warm up, gotta check the "Red Tide". Yesterday it was still pretty strong.

t500hps 02-13-2005 09:27 AM

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Tested mine at 41 and raining......Sounds like a good boat...Where are the pics???

mopower 02-13-2005 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CObarry
The only other downside of the deal is the trailer that comes with the boat. It's all aluminum, but that's about the only good part of it. The wheels are galvanized steel and ugly, the tires are dry rotted, and there are brakes on only 1 axle. It's not a big issue since I'll sell it once I get to LOTO (the boat will be on a lift under a covered dock), but I had hoped to be able to get some reasonable money for it, and based on its condition I'm not expecting much.

New aluminum wheels , new tires and another set of brakes and you have a great trailer. Even though you have a covered lift(wish I did),you know you never need a trailer till you don't have one :rolleyes:

Good luck with it :cool:

CBlakeNS 02-13-2005 03:55 PM

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Good post, sounds like a good boat, once you fix a few minor things!!

Lets see the pics.

toolman 02-13-2005 05:00 PM

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Great boat!!

I saw your pics on the other post......those graphics are one of my favorites!

I still have my 303 for sale. I hate to part with it, but I'm looking into a wakeboard boat for the family (2 kids). It will be a more suitable boat for us, at least until the kids grow up.
(they grow up too fast as it is, I'm not trying to rush that).

Later on I'll be buying a larger Formula, so the wife & I can enjoy it together.

Anyway, good luck with your Formula. They are great boats!

Bill272 02-13-2005 09:43 PM

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Sounds like it's pretty nice, good luck with it. I'm sure the headrests on the bolsters are bolted on so you don't have to recover everything to clean them up. My sunpad stitching is kinda bad at the hinge end, too. Water on and in the sunpad generally ends up there. If you pull it home on the trailer, get the tires replaced or at least carry a spare or two. I didn't when we bought ours and trailered it 8 hours home and we got lucky. But we did have to replace 4 of the 6 that summer due to blowouts and the fact that they were overstressed car tires. It's too bad some people don't seem to put better trailers under these.

We went to the Detroit boat show today and the more boats I look at the happier I am with our 336. Can't wait til spring.

CObarry 02-13-2005 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by toolman
Great boat!!

I saw your pics on the other post......those graphics are one of my favorites!

I still have my 303 for sale. I hate to part with it, but I'm looking into a wakeboard boat for the family (2 kids). It will be a more suitable boat for us, at least until the kids grow up.
(they grow up too fast as it is, I'm not trying to rush that).

Later on I'll be buying a larger Formula, so the wife & I can enjoy it together.

Anyway, good luck with your Formula. They are great boats!

Keep your Formula and buy a used wakeboard boat. We have a Malibu that we'll keep for skiing/wakeboarding. It's great for that, but typical inboards are terrible in rough water because of the nearly flat bottoms. They POUND in any kind of wave.

CObarry 02-13-2005 11:56 PM

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CObarry 02-13-2005 11:59 PM

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CObarry 02-14-2005 12:00 AM

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R-Don 02-14-2005 03:49 AM

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Thats a great looking piece of kit.

Enjoy.

Formula Outlaw 02-14-2005 06:00 AM

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Nice looking ride.

offshoredrillin 02-14-2005 07:20 AM

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Love that graphics pkg, the 419 I was looking at in MI had them. Enjoy it you'll have a blast with it, I know I did with mine!!

CBlakeNS 02-14-2005 03:49 PM

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Definately like that boat alot, looks great in the water.

mopower 02-14-2005 04:35 PM

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Nice , Good luck ;)

h2owarrior 02-14-2005 06:39 PM

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Very nice. Sounds like it is in good shape for a boat of its age. Excellent post on the detail of your trip. :drink:

I have always liked the 336. It seems like a much bigger boat inside than the 33' would indicate.

I do agree with your trailer comments.....looks kind of rough.

CObarry 02-15-2005 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by h2owarrior
Very nice. Sounds like it is in good shape for a boat of its age. Excellent post on the detail of your trip. :drink:

I have always liked the 336. It seems like a much bigger boat inside than the 33' would indicate.

I do agree with your trailer comments.....looks kind of rough.

Thanks....yes, I think it is a big 33' boat. There is room in the engine compartment to stand, squat, or sit in front of the engines. The sofa in the cabin can easily accommodate 6, and the cockpit can seat 6 comfortably...a few more if some don't mind standing and holding on... :eek:

Edward R. Cozzi 02-15-2005 10:16 AM

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Great looking boat!
Sounds like your surveyor did a good job.
After the better driver took over, how many RPMs did you see at W.O.T.?
If these are EFI motors did he scan for fault codes?

I think the compression test would have been a waste of money if the engines pulled together and got close to 5,000 RPM.

Put some 15W-40 Royal Purple in the crankcases and enjoy your new boat.

CObarry 02-15-2005 12:16 PM

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Both engines were just over 5000 RPM at WOT, and got the boat to 71.5 mph.

They are EFI engines, but the surveyor did not have the tool. I'm going to ask the service dept. at the dealer to pull the codes for me.

I'm still on the fence as to whether to do a compression test, since I'm going to rebuild in a year or two anyway. It probably is money better spent elsewhere.

Ed, thanks for the feedback!

Edward R. Cozzi 02-15-2005 12:34 PM

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Sorry I didn't respond sooner, but I have been looking in the wrong places for this thread. Found it accidentally!

If those engines were down on compression, I doubt you'd have seen the performance you did. Save your dough for the cosmetics she needs.

Formula is a great boat with a devoted following. My first new boat sale as a new employee at Everglades Marina was a 1987 357 SR-1 with 420s and TRS.

The guy kept the boat for 8 years it was such a sweet boat.

powerguy 02-16-2005 07:34 AM

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Barry - When I bought my 336 last year the silent thunder box leaked and rattled at idle....If you look around you will notice that a lot of people have taken them off for those same reasons, even on newer model Formulas. I removed mine and first just put rubber flappers on the existing transom tips. The boat was a lot louder. Decided that I wanted mufflers so then installed HPI transom mount mufflers. The mufflers reduced the noise to a similar level as the silent thunder but without leaks, rattles, or melted gaskets and it took the weight of that box off the stern of the boat.


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