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razor1115 06-06-2007 10:01 AM

anchor light
 
Guys,

What's the deal with the 3-pin perko base for the anchor/stern lights on Fountains? New boat didn't have a light, dropped by the store and bought one. It didn't work. Started looking before I ran home and got the voltage tester/ ripped stuff apart. The light pole has two pins (3 holes but only two have connectors in them). The boat has a 3-pin connector.

I looked on-line and could only find 2-pin pole lights, but saw several 3-pin bases:confused: What gives?

Wally 06-06-2007 10:12 AM

lights that only have 2 pin poles are the 360* lights....most commonly found on smaller boats when the light is mountd in the rear of the boat.....bigger boats that have the 3 pin poles have the light split in two sections with two bulbs.....the forward half is on during running and when you move the nav/anchor button to anchor the entire light lights up 360*

Some lights may just have the 3-pin base for alignment purposes...most of the ones ive seen have a small nub that fits into a slot on the side so the pole can only go in one way...

razor1115 06-06-2007 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by Wally (Post 2153021)
lights that only have 2 pin poles are the 360* lights....most commonly found on smaller boats when the light is mountd in the rear of the boat.....bigger boats that have the 3 pin poles have the light split in two sections with two bulbs.....the forward half is on during running and when you move the nav/anchor button to anchor the entire light lights up 360*

Some lights may just have the 3-pin base for alignment purposes...most of the ones ive seen have a small nub that fits into a slot on the side so the pole can only go in one way...

Wally,

I do understand the slot so the light only goes in one way.


For the 3-pin, are you talking about the front half is your nav lights (like what everyone has on the front of their boat red/green)? And the rear would be white? Additionally, I have a stern light mounted on the transom that's white. So, I need an anchor light (pole) that can be seen from 360°.

Wally 06-06-2007 10:45 AM

No no....some anchor lights are actually two lights in one unit.....its still all white but split into a front light and a rear light. My 30' scarab had this setup. the light was mounted mid-sip right infront of the windshield....when up on plane and with nav lights on only the front half of the light would be on.....by law you do need a 360* white light to be visible.....so thats there the transom light comes into play.....so when you see the boat coming at you you see the white light and as its passing you there will be a point where the anchor light will "turn off" so to speak and the white transom light will take over. Its set up this way so the driver is not blinded by the light.
If i wanted to anchor, i would flip the switch and the re/green lights along with the transom light would go off and both sides of the anchor light would be lit 360*

Make sense now?

Wally 06-06-2007 11:04 AM

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looking thorugh the west marine catalog....i think they all may have 3-pins in the base....but its either gonna have 2 or 3 actuall electrical contacts depending on what kind of light you have.

I had something like the one below on my boat...you can see how its split onto a forward a rear section...each one had its own light

Wally 06-06-2007 11:05 AM

oopps....i had the 3rd one from the left (D) in the pic

razor1115 06-06-2007 12:27 PM

Mine is mounted on a pole at the rear of the boat. Not one of the mid-ship ones I have seen. So the 2-pin light should function, correct? Maybe there is a problem with the boat wiring (doubt it), but I will check the pin outs.

I will grab a volt meter and start checking.

US1 Fountain 06-06-2007 03:53 PM

Yours should be the 2 lights in 1. More than likely 'D' in the above pic. The socket in your boat will be a 3 pin plug: forward facing light lead, rearward facing light lead, common ground.
Don't think you can mix and match.

razor1115 06-07-2007 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 2153525)
Yours should be the 2 lights in 1. More than likely 'D' in the above pic. The socket in your boat will be a 3 pin plug: forward facing light lead, rearward facing light lead, common ground.
Don't think you can mix and match.

Is this what every other Fountain is using? Or, is anyone using a 2-pin light pole? I will check power to a ground to determine which is the common. Not sure I can rewire the light to work...(if the pin outs indicate a 2-pin confiuration is actually plugging into both 12V leads for the 3-pin socket ie. no common). Anyone have a schematic?

razor1115 06-07-2007 06:57 AM

And, when anchored, how does an oncoming boat see that light when it's so short? The anchor light socket is low on the starboard, port gunwale. It is supposed to be visible from 360°.

Sea-Dated 06-07-2007 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by razor1115 (Post 2154196)
And, when anchored, how does an oncoming boat see that light when it's so short? The anchor light socket is low on the starboard, port gunwale. It is supposed to be visible from 360°.

The pole on my anchor light on my Fountain was like 3.5' tall. Plenty tall to be seen from the front when at anchor.

razor1115 06-07-2007 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Sea-Dated (Post 2154285)
The pole on my anchor light on my Fountain was like 3.5' tall. Plenty tall to be seen from the front when at anchor.

Was it a 2-pin or 3-pin pole light?

Sea-Dated 06-07-2007 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by razor1115 (Post 2154829)
Was it a 2-pin or 3-pin pole light?

I am guessing 3 pin since it was both nav and anchor light, plus I had an anchor light on the stern above the swim deck. It was a 1990 29' that is SOLD!!!!:drink: :drink:

Sorry, still a little excited about the sale.:drink:

razor1115 06-08-2007 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Sea-Dated (Post 2155090)
I am guessing 3 pin since it was both nav and anchor light, plus I had an anchor light on the stern above the swim deck. It was a 1990 29' that is SOLD!!!!:drink: :drink:

Sorry, still a little excited about the sale.:drink:

Congrats on the sale...:D :evilb: Where did you find a dual function pole light that tall?

Sea-Dated 06-08-2007 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by razor1115 (Post 2155670)
Congrats on the sale...:D :evilb: Where did you find a dual function pole light that tall?

It came with the boat when I bought it.

You might check with Fountain, 800-853-9099 or 252-975-2000 are the two numbers I have for them.

Good luck in your search.

howardrepp 08-29-2015 08:42 PM

anchor light
 

Originally Posted by razor1115 (Post 2154196)
And, when anchored, how does an oncoming boat see that light when it's so short? The anchor light socket is low on the starboard, port gunwale. It is supposed to be visible from 360°.

The plug your talking about with the 3 pins is for your bow light that is why it has two hots one for port and starboard.

Cole2534 08-30-2015 08:32 AM

Since this got brought up, can I get a run down on which lights should be illuminated for nav and which for anchor? I've been chasing some electrical stuff and have confused myself.

My nav switch only illuminates the red/green.

Anchor switch illuminates red/green, both sides of the pole, and the stern light.

Seems like I'm missing something.

1 MAIDEN AMERICA 08-30-2015 09:02 AM

Nav-red, green and rear facing (270 degree?)white light on
Anchored-360 degree white light only

Padraig 08-30-2015 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by razor1115 (Post 2155670)
Congrats on the sale...:D :evilb: Where did you find a dual function pole light that tall?

Here you go,

http://www.wholesalemarine.com/perko...ole-light.html

Padraig

rak rua 08-30-2015 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by 1 MAIDEN AMERICA (Post 4348994)
Nav-red, green and rear facing (270 degree?)white light on
Anchored-360 degree white light only

Agree but the white stern light is a bit less than 180 degrees because they're usually mounted on the stern above the boarding platform and won't quite show out to the sides.
Red and green nav lights show an arc a bit more than 90 degrees each (maybe 200 plus total?) and the white stern light will fill in the gap (bit less than 160) so you're visible all round.

Anchor light is 360 degrees, should be on a high point of the boat like top of the screen, extended pole or targa top for visibility. No other lights while anchored. Pretty much international standard I think on pleasure craft.

RR

fordf350 08-31-2015 06:48 AM

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