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blownincome 12-09-2009 05:49 AM

Total diff between the two is 18 inches takes out the room to do a stag setup from the front of the engine room forward same boat as a 35,The size of the engine room is like that of a 32 tight but workable..

blownincome 12-09-2009 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by RaggedEdge (Post 3001384)
Reason here is some of these boats are bank owned dealer repo inventory not in the yard at East Coast. I believe the 33 and 38 are theirs, so a 35 of their owned stock would be priced someplace in the middle. But way under the 219K on an '08, believe me! They quoted me on one they had in their stock a while back, lots less than that.

I bought my present boat from East Coast Flightcraft, they are super to deal with, and a very strong and financially sound dealership, these guys will be there when things turn around.

Thanks!!:kiss::drink:

RaggedEdge 12-09-2009 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by blownincome (Post 3003159)
Thanks!!:kiss::drink:



Just call is as I see it! But you're welcome.

Sooooooo, you back?

blownincome 12-10-2009 05:20 AM

Once you work there you never Really leave:signs069: I will do anything Dan asks Anytime He and Rick are Good friends
Still on the roster on a part time basis as needed..

sonic28 12-10-2009 07:34 AM

Bob can you get me the plastic vent for the port side of the anchor locker?its that little white vent close to the bow.
Paul

Back4More 12-10-2009 01:28 PM

Are Pre-Bankruptcy hulls still warranted?

blownincome 12-10-2009 05:52 PM

Hey Paul How have you been I thought you sold your Girl... The anchor locker drain Is avalible at West Marine (Seadog products)I will get you the info...link -----> http://www.sea-dog.com/PDF/357100.pdf and I would think you could pick it up in Portsmouth/Seabrook .....Bob

RaggedEdge 12-10-2009 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by blownincome (Post 3003672)
Once you work there you never Really leave:signs069: I will do anything Dan asks Anytime He and Rick are Good friends
Still on the roster on a part time basis as needed..



Both good and honest guys, which is why I hold both in such high regard as well.

RaggedEdge 12-10-2009 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Back4More (Post 3003903)
Are Pre-Bankruptcy hulls still warranted?


Interesting question.

I'm thinking if you buy from a financially sound dealers stock you would be covered. Fountain is in a "reorganization brankruptcy" not done and gone, then back again. Business is an ongoing operation under the Court's supervision. All GM vehicle warranties have been in full effect thru their little deal which is essentially the same situation as Fountain.

Not sure what the case would be if the boat is one of the bank repo's taken from a defunct dealership.

TampaBeach 12-10-2009 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by RaggedEdge (Post 3004063)
Interesting question.

I'm thinking if you buy from a financially sound dealers stock you would be covered. Fountain is in a "reorganization brankruptcy" not done and gone, then back again. Business is an ongoing operation under the Court's supervision. All GM vehicle warranties have been in full effect thru their little deal which is essentially the same situation as Fountain.

Not sure what the case would be if the boat is one of the bank repo's taken from a defunct dealership.

That is a BIG question, I know that dealers unless the boat is purchased from them can deny warranty work, and I know of dealers who do.

Wildman_grafix 12-15-2009 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by RaggedEdge (Post 3001096)
Read the same article and noticed the absence of the 33 Lightning. My guess is it is gone for at least now. Smaller high end boats have been hit harder in these times than the bigger models. If you can buy a 33 now likely you can do a 35 and most seem to be doing just that. I would assume Fountain has looked at the model sales over the last year or so and will stick to the ones that have the best turnover.

Finally got around to reading it, it said ONLY lightnings, sounds like the ex series will be done.

RaggedEdge 12-15-2009 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 3006192)
Finally got around to reading it, it said ONLY lightnings, sounds like the ex series will be done.



I noticed the absence of the Executioners as well. My thought is that Fountain will be a higher end, more custom build line from here on, in that the EX's were a little less money. Too bad cause I still like that old school look as do many others I'm sure.

phragle 12-15-2009 06:50 PM

come on guys..its a hurtin company. if they have the molds they will build it for you. Hell they would paint it pink and chartruse if your paying for it. They are begging for buisness.. beggars arent choosey. Are you going to see 15 of them on the floor at Shogren, no. Can you order it? hell yes..nothing says build order like rectangular green dollars.

35 fountain 12-15-2009 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 3006466)
come on guys..its a hurtin company. if they have the molds they will build it for you. Hell they would paint it pink and chartruse if your paying for it. They are begging for buisness.. beggars arent choosey. Are you going to see 15 of them on the floor at Shogren, no. Can you order it? hell yes..nothing says build order like rectangular green dollars.

Reggie is in business to make money. He'll build anything he has a mold for. above is well stated.

RaggedEdge 12-16-2009 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 3006466)
come on guys..its a hurtin company. if they have the molds they will build it for you. Hell they would paint it pink and chartruse if your paying for it. They are begging for buisness.. beggars arent choosey. Are you going to see 15 of them on the floor at Shogren, no. Can you order it? hell yes..nothing says build order like rectangular green dollars.



To a point I agree with the "Money talks, nobody walks" mentality. But at what price? Does one pay as much, or even a little more, for a custom build EX style hull as one would pay for a full blown Lightning with a newer and more advanced hull design? I've owned both, believe me the EX hull design is a great one, but the newer twin step Lightning is better.

If you compare the boat industry to the auto industry more is not always better for the bottom line. Compare GM to Toyota, GM has forever had more lines and model choices but now is working thru Chapter 11. Things are not perfect at Toyota, but they are in far better shape than GM. Most often, in any business field, those that concentrate on what they do best, and more importantly what they do most profitably, are the ones that not only survive but often thrive in leaner times. There is nothing worse than being in competition with yourself.

Wildman_grafix 12-17-2009 07:58 AM

I have a question, the newer 42 ex bottoms look like the 42 lightning bottoms. They have the larger step not like the older small 42 steps.

Does anyone know if the deck is the only change?

RaggedEdge 12-17-2009 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 3007258)
I have a question, the newer 42 ex bottoms look like the 42 lightning bottoms. They have the larger step not like the older small 42 steps.

Does anyone know if the deck is the only change?




For some years now, and I can't put the exact date on this, the 42 EX has shared the Lightning bottom design. Both hulls out of the same mold, then fitted with the EX or Lightning top deck. Interiors and cockpits have followed along the lines of the top deck design. On the 35's the deal has been different. The EX has remained the single step hull with the traditional top deck while the Lightning has always been, since introduced, the twin step bottom design with the newer style top deck.

If you follow, or dig into, what Fountain has actually been doing over the past number of years then it does begin to explain why some models appear to be going away in light of what the boating industry is now going thru. Concentrate on your best, and best selling, offerings in an attempt to then become profitable in what will for sure be a different market from here on.

blownincome 12-19-2009 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by RaggedEdge (Post 3007569)
For some years now, and I can't put the exact date on this, the 42 EX has shared the Lightning bottom design. Both hulls out of the same mold, then fitted with the EX or Lightning top deck. Interiors and cockpits have followed along the lines of the top deck design. On the 35's the deal has been different. The EX has remained the single step hull with the traditional top deck while the Lightning has always been, since introduced, the twin step bottom design with the newer style top deck.

If you follow, or dig into, what Fountain has actually been doing over the past number of years then it does begin to explain why some models appear to be going away in light of what the boating industry is now going thru. Concentrate on your best, and best selling, offerings in an attempt to then become profitable in what will for sure be a different market from here on.


Pete, you are correct ! 2004 was the year of the lattest revision to the 42 mold and the marrage of the two designs with the hulls

RaggedEdge 12-19-2009 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by blownincome (Post 3008199)
Pete, you are correct !




:D


And I knew I could count on you to tidy up the loose ends.

eddie 12-19-2009 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by blownincome (Post 3008199)
Pete, you are correct ! 2004 was the year of the lattest revision to the 42 mold and the marrage of the two designs with the hulls

I was told it was tweaked again in late 2006/2007 models and any 42's with the new interior had the newest bottom? It was changed a bit to handle 700hp+ Merc packages?

OL40SVX 12-19-2009 10:32 PM

The hull on a 42 today is not the same as it was in 2004.

blownincome 12-20-2009 06:09 AM

They are still useing the same molds as 04 on the 42 and has tweeked over the years since 04 , every boat that comes off the line gets tweeked after watertesting to squeeze everything Reggie expects out of them. so if you get technical no two boats are alike!

Wildman_grafix 12-20-2009 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by blownincome (Post 3008641)
They are still useing the same molds as 04 on the 42 and has tweeked over the years since 04 , every boat that comes off the line gets tweeked after watertesting to squeeze everything Reggie expects out of them. so if you get technical no two boats are alike!

What other V hull manufactures do that? Outerlimits?

That has to cost some money, I wonder if they will continue to.

SDFever 12-20-2009 11:03 AM

Question ?
 

Originally Posted by blownincome (Post 3008641)
They are still useing the same molds as 04 on the 42 and has tweeked over the years since 04 , every boat that comes off the line gets tweeked after watertesting to squeeze everything Reggie expects out of them. so if you get technical no two boats are alike!

If every boat is water tested and "maxed out" to get every possible highest speed etc.....

Does that mean that they fire up your new engines and run them like h_ll?

Meanwhile, when you buy the boat you're trying to do the right thing by breaking the engines in carefully???

You see the performance reports at boat shows and anywhere they are being sold but the engines never have 10 or 20 hours if unit is new.

How does this work?

fountainracing65 12-20-2009 04:23 PM

Every boat is water tested. Merc racing engines are dyno tested at the factory and are "pre" broke in according to my understanding.

Wildman_grafix 12-28-2009 12:54 PM

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Back4More 12-28-2009 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by SDFever (Post 3008737)
If every boat is water tested and "maxed out" to get every possible highest speed etc.....

Does that mean that they fire up your new engines and run them like h_ll?

Meanwhile, when you buy the boat you're trying to do the right thing by breaking the engines in carefully???

You see the performance reports at boat shows and anywhere they are being sold but the engines never have 10 or 20 hours if unit is new.

How does this work?

Fear not, the Merc motors are only at 70% anyway....way over built.

On Time 12-28-2009 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by RaggedEdge (Post 3007569)
For some years now, and I can't put the exact date on this, the 42 EX has shared the Lightning bottom design. Both hulls out of the same mold, then fitted with the EX or Lightning top deck. Interiors and cockpits have followed along the lines of the top deck design. On the 35's the deal has been different. The EX has remained the single step hull with the traditional top deck while the Lightning has always been, since introduced, the twin step bottom design with the newer style top deck.

If you follow, or dig into, what Fountain has actually been doing over the past number of years then it does begin to explain why some models appear to be going away in light of what the boating industry is now going thru. Concentrate on your best, and best selling, offerings in an attempt to then become profitable in what will for sure be a different market from here on.

OK so then why does the 2005 brochure show the Lightning as 1 mph faster than my EX, and later brochures show a 2-3 mph (can't remember which) difference??

blownincome 12-28-2009 05:02 PM

remember every boat is Bluprinted after the first water test no 2 are alike exactly so when it gets down to MPH 1-5 is a normal variable depending on wind speed and chop the 35 lightning ICBM hull number 1
at water testing I was only able to get it over 100 mph 2 times 96 was the average on GPS still a fast ride!

RaggedEdge 12-29-2009 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by On Time (Post 3013348)
OK so then why does the 2005 brochure show the Lightning as 1 mph faster than my EX, and later brochures show a 2-3 mph (can't remember which) difference??



One of life's little puzzlements I guess. Change in lay-up? Props run for testing? Lots of variables can play into this.

Much like all the talk about Fountains not being to run the number that shows on the "Reggie Report". Some say they have never seen it, some say maybe once in perfect conditions, mine consistently hits it with the props it left the factory with, and will beat it by a few any day with the props I've had done for it.

Wildman_grafix 12-29-2009 05:47 PM

Mine hits the number pretty easy, but it was tested on a flat hot day.

10K4U 01-02-2010 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 3014013)
Mine hits the number pretty easy, but it was tested on a flat hot day.

Mine hits the max with a opposite rotation prop then what the report says?Good enough for me! haha

Gunner 02-04-2010 09:18 AM

http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/83490772.html

Wildman_grafix 02-04-2010 10:00 AM

I think being a private company is much better the public traded, at least when it comes to something like performance boats.

Wildman_grafix 02-04-2010 10:09 AM

I have been looking at the new bank repo 35's that Shogren put up on their site a few days ago and said they would take WAY less then dealer cost. (Look at the 38 thread).

Seems one already has a deal pending,,,,,,that didn't take long.

Back4More 02-04-2010 10:17 AM

Sounds like they are back on thier feet and waiting for orders.

tomtbone1993 02-04-2010 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Back4More (Post 3038526)
Sounds like they are back on thier feet and waiting for orders.

Great News!!!!!:coolcowboy:

Wildman_grafix 02-04-2010 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Back4More (Post 3038526)
Sounds like they are back on thier feet and waiting for orders.

Da%$ lotto numbers were wrong again!:lolhit:

RaggedEdge 02-04-2010 11:59 AM

This puzzles the chit out of me! Just stopped at the P. O. to get the mail on the way home for lunch and got a mailing on this deal. I recieved a copy of a filing on the behalf of the unsecured creditors stating objection to parts of the settltment, along with the prefered mailing list of those it went to. I kinda' figured it was still up in the air.

I did get a laugh out of the fact that Regions Bank, Reggie, and I were all on the same page of the mailing list. Must be we all might take it in shorts in this settltment. :eek:

jeff1000man 02-04-2010 12:34 PM

Stock is creeping up


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