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TRL505 09-19-2011 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by carcommander (Post 3506469)
When I was a kid I built motors for my cars. I was always tweaking or fixing something that broke. If you enjoy it then have at it. Its not cheap and you really need two boats.

Not bragging...but we have 5 more boats between our family. We have learned that at least 2 are broke down at the same time. :lolhit:

MrSneakAttack 09-19-2011 10:53 PM

what is the timing set at?

triple 300s 09-19-2011 11:19 PM


Originally Posted by TRL505 (Post 3507005)
Not bragging...but we have 5 more boats between our family. We have learned that at least 2 are broke down at the same time. :lolhit:

6..........you forgot to count the JS550.

TRL505 09-20-2011 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by MrSneakAttack (Post 3507138)
what is the timing set at?

Not sure...Ill check.

575cat 09-23-2011 11:47 AM

Hey TRL any news , whats goin on , have they got them back together yet , just checking in .

TRL505 09-23-2011 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by 575cat (Post 3510594)
Hey TRL any news , whats goin on , have they got them back together yet , just checking in .

Well...funny you should ask. Lil R has boat ready to go. Tyler has entire port engine back together, but still waiting on a custom cut piston to fill the #4 hole that needed bored out.

The NEW schedule is to fly down to RF again the week of Oct 3-7th. Tyler i supposed to get down there that Monday or Tues the 3-4th, if all works out. Lil R and Tyler will install engine, and re-test..and hope it doesn't blow up again.

Then it goes back to MO, gets driven once or twice...and then on the rack for the winter....lol. At least we saved money on gas this year. :evilb:

Keep your fingers crossed guys...I know I am.

1 MAIDEN AMERICA 09-23-2011 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by TRL505 (Post 3510800)
but still waiting on a custom cut piston to fill the #4 hole that needed bored out.

One oddball piston????

Unlimited jd 09-23-2011 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by SS930 (Post 3504008)
I feel for you guys, this sounds really frusterating... and expensive!!!

Tyler, it really appears you will have covered the basics well. I'm sure this is a stupid question, but are you 100% sure the head(s) and block are straight?

And FWIW, regardless if the lack of studs is associated with this reoccurring issue or not, I'm shocked they weren't in there in the first place!

you'd actually be surprised what an arp headbolt will hold up to in a 540, i sprayed one with 500 hp worth of nitrous for over 150 passes never blew a headgasket, granted i pulled the plugs and inspected with a scope every pass and it was only 8 seconds at a time

Unlimited jd 09-23-2011 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by 29scarab10 (Post 3504846)
The engine builder in this case did not build complete new engines with all new accessories. He rebuilt 6 year old engines with some 6 year old accessories. If one of these 6 your old accessories caused the problem why should the engine be one the hook?

If it were me, when the engines go back in the engine builder would have his laptop hooked up looking at the called for timing numbers and being verifyed with a timing light First through out the rpm range under no load and then again while under load.

Ofcourse most engine builder will not like this comment because who wants to be in engine compartment at speed with lots off hot stuff and turning belts. Most would agree to due it on the dyno, but ultimately the engine lives (or not) inside the engine compartment.
Allen

timing light will not show individual cylinder timing, msd digital ignitions have a provision for adjusting individual cylinder timing. since he had one piston burn and a few others fine my w.a.g (wild a$$ guess) would be detonation. the actual timing degrees is just a reference number, the heat mark or line on each plug electrode shows how each cylinder is firing/ heat in the cylinder. some applications i had to retard cylinder 7 (2)*

triple 300s 09-23-2011 10:33 PM


Originally Posted by lil red (Post 3510952)
detonation

I agree...

TRL505 09-24-2011 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by 1 MAIDEN AMERICA (Post 3510918)
One oddball piston????

Correct....the #4 hole.

Two more pistons were damaged on the opposite side of the block..but no damage was done to cylinder walls so he was able to order shelf pistons.

575cat 09-24-2011 12:57 PM

Hope it works out for you , cant wait to see the results !

TRL505 09-24-2011 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by 575cat (Post 3511255)
Hope it works out for you , cant wait to see the results !

Thank you....I appreciate everyone's support.

TxHawk 09-25-2011 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by TRL505 (Post 3511096)
Correct....the #4 hole.

Two more pistons were damaged on the opposite side of the block..but no damage was done to cylinder walls so he was able to order shelf pistons.

So you have money invested equal to that of completely new engines and you have mix matched pistons? What are the bore diameters now? What block?

TRL505 09-25-2011 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by TxHawk (Post 3511664)
So you have money invested equal to that of completely new engines and you have mix matched pistons? What are the bore diameters now? What block?

Dart blocks...540ci. The #4 hole is either .0020 or .0050 over now....cant remember. All other pistons are standard 540ci.

Trust me...this isnt they way I wanted this to go down.

TxHawk 09-26-2011 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by TRL505 (Post 3511702)
Dart blocks...540ci. The #4 hole is either .0020 or .0050 over now....cant remember. All other pistons are standard 540ci.

Trust me...this isnt they way I wanted this to go down.

I hope things come together. I watched your thread years ago when you were upgrading your 525's. My friend was doing it at the same time on an identical boat. Luckiliy he has left his alone. He has had some detonation issues though and other gremilins all along the way. Working off the 525 base system just seems to be a headache. Are you still on that system or MEFI?

Unlimited jd 09-26-2011 01:15 PM

2-5 Thousandths of an inch is so small in an automotive or race application that cylinder would just be left as a "loose" hole and have a little more piston to wall clearance. At that size it prob weighs within 2 grams of the other pistons and could be easily balanced to the set.

LicenseToChill 09-27-2011 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by 29scarab10 (Post 3499569)
The motors started life as 500 efi's.The motors are now 555 cubic inchs, have afr 357 cnc heads with Vortech Superchargers, and make a little more power than the 850 (that I call them)however when someone looks in hatch and sees the stock 500 efi intake they do not believe the power they make. They actually made a little more than 1000 in both horsepower and torque. However I am unable to turn them to 5800 rpm in the boat regardless of the prop used which is were it made over 1000. I really believe the 500 efi intake are not able to flow enough volume to support the rpms I would like. I can put on a pair of 31's and spin 5700 or I can spin 34's 5600. My engine builder warned me about this and it will likely get changed before next year

My x dimnesion is 18" and I am running SCX uppers with -2 sc lowers with 1.3? gears ( the scx uppers are geared a little different so I do not now the exact number). Prop is Mercury labbed 34 maximus with 15 1/4" diamater.

The only problem I have had with drives is during the middle of this summer one drive developed a shifting problem. We tore the upper apart and the gears looked brand new (encouraging). The shifting problem turned out to be Imco puts a rubber plug in the hole above the shift shaft. The plug is to long and after a little wear on the cone clutch it would no longer shift. I cut the plug in half and it has been problem free since. The drives are 2 seasons old and have about 180 hours and close to 7000 miles on them. The first season of these drives they had 850 horsepower and 800 foot pounds of torque (about 100 hours and 4000 miles). i guess with all this talk about breaking these lowers we will tear them down over the winter and have a look.

I should also mention that i really believe in Torco #6 drive fluid in these drives. I believe when you use like mercury High performance gear oil that it is so thick that it get slung away from the gears and flows slowly and can not get back into contact with gears (kind of forms an airpocket around the gears) where as the torco flows very similar to water even cold. I have no proof of this but have had great results after changing.

The boat has been 117.9 MPH and this was during August. When the water and air temp cools down I really expect this number to grow.

If you have any more questions I will try my best to answere them.
Allen

Impressive ride.... I'm curious to hear how you ran with the 850's. Just rebuilt my 525's, put Whipples on and got 784 on the dyno. Gotta play with props. Did you have the 1.3? setup with the 850's? Are your drives turning in or out?

Planning on sending mine to RF to get it dialed in.

Reggie Fountain 09-27-2011 12:51 PM

We can definitely get you going Real Fast.

LicenseToChill 09-27-2011 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Real Fast Marine (Post 3513922)
Give us a call at 252.561.6070 for a service quote....we can talk shop and work with you to accomplish what you want to do within budget......you may also be interested in our high performance driving school. We offer one on one instruction in YOUR BOAT!! Our company is founded by Reggie Fountain and sons and we are all at anyone's disposal that is looking to improve performance or cosmetics.

I didn't know about your high performance driving school.... But I've already talked with Reggie and Wyatt about getting some more speed. I just got the new engines and want to have some fun time with it before heading up to NC. :D

TRL505 09-30-2011 01:56 PM

Piston still not shipped. Planning on going to RF around the
20th of this month. RF has everything ready to go...just waiting on engine....story of my life.

We are now going to keep the boat up at RF over the winter and look into new interior and/or new paint!!! Sure..why not...its only money. LOL

575cat 10-05-2011 12:32 PM

Hows the 47 tripple and 47 twin coming along ?

47 lightning 10-05-2011 03:17 PM

i think the 47 twins was done a couple months ago .as for the 47 the stringers and transom are done .now its time to blue print the bottom and then cut some holes in that brand new composite transom .i have some pics b4 and after trying to upload them.hows your 7 blades coming along?

575cat 10-05-2011 03:35 PM

change of plans , got my 7 blades fri and didnt open the box sent them back I am going to the SCX -4 drives and #6 props , I just figured the lowers are the next weakest link and 7 blades would be more strain , this way I can have the props higher yet .

Reggie Fountain 10-05-2011 03:54 PM

Yes the twin was done a while back & the triple is almost complete. Some sanding & gel, it will be ready for some power.

eddie 10-05-2011 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by 575cat (Post 3520462)
change of plans , got my 7 blades fri and didnt open the box sent them back I am going to the SCX -4 drives and #6 props , I just figured the lowers are the next weakest link and 7 blades would be more strain , this way I can have the props higher yet .

What pitch seven's were they?

575cat 10-05-2011 08:14 PM

7 blades were 33 21 pitch

triple 300s 10-07-2011 11:59 PM

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575cat 10-08-2011 07:58 AM

just killin time waiting for the 20 th !!!!

1 MAIDEN AMERICA 10-08-2011 09:13 AM

The furnace in my house makes a ticking sound when I flush the toilet ever since I replaced the front porch light.
I was just wondering how to get my 56K modem working faster.

575cat 10-08-2011 10:19 AM

I know just what your talking about .

triple 300s 10-08-2011 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by 1 MAIDEN AMERICA (Post 3522655)
The furnace in my house makes a ticking sound when I flush the toilet ever since I replaced the front porch light.
I was just wondering how to get my 56K modem working faster.

buy a new house...and modem...

47 lightning 10-08-2011 11:26 PM

Sorry this is not my slogan, but I had to use it.
Some people are like slinkies, not really good for anything, but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs. Ha Ha Ha:coolcowboy:

1 MAIDEN AMERICA 10-09-2011 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by triple 300s (Post 3522915)
buy a new house...and modem...

Finally figured it out. One of the tires was low. Now if I can keep the neighbors from stealing my flamingos.......

575cat 10-14-2011 04:57 PM

How much longer ?

Reggie Fountain 10-14-2011 04:58 PM

Motor shipped today from Tyler, I should have it Monday. Hopefully will be testing by the end of next week.

575cat 10-15-2011 07:21 AM

good to here , lets see some action .

Reggie Fountain 10-15-2011 09:36 PM

Drives Raised Up One More Inch. She's Ready To Go Real Fast.

triple 300s 10-18-2011 09:36 AM

Did Crockett ship the motor Friday? If not, why?

Reggie Fountain 10-18-2011 10:43 AM

Motor Has Been Shipped, Should Be Here Today Or Tomorrow.


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