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Few Fountain Questions
I wanted to get some basic information on 2 models of fountains if you guys have a minute.
First Roughly how fast was a 40 foot (12 meter) ICBM with twin 420's? Second are the cabins in these boats comfortable or just more or less a padded hole you can climb into? Enclosed head compartment for the wife? Third, Weight, how much did these things weigh in at on a trailer? Should my F350 Diesel dually pull this thing with ease? (2003 F350 Dually) Last, How much price wise are these things running? What is a good price, what is a crummy price? I know it depends on condition and engine HP and size ect. I have always liked the ICBM's and since I cant afford the apache I want I figured this would be a MAJOR step up towards that goal for later on in life but a big step up from my baja now. Thoughts, input, suggestions? Thanks guys!!! Jason |
Jayl13, the early 12mm 86-89 were a great rough water boat, there were two decks a long deck and a extended cockpit version. speed on a 420 trs drive boat was in the low 60's, the cabins where sparse in luxury terms but not just a padded hole the did have a head in them. most of the cabins ive seen are configured simular to todays 42 head to the right counter to the left two couches rgt and left and vberth up front, im guessing weight was in the 8500-9000 range. as for as price you will find them every were from low 30's - high 80's. 88-89 would be the more desirable up dated upholstry windshields etc. early moldels used a metal frame windshields and the later moldels used the plexigalss windshield cleaner look. that late 89 and 90 40ft had the molded in swim plateform recessed deck hatches much better upholstry and trimmed out a little nicer. they can be bought in the upper 60's to mid 90's depending on power i had a 90 40ft with 365's and bravos would run 63mph may have been able to tweek more with props and stuff. while it was no rocket ship it was a tank for cruising around in witha comfortable and predictable ride.
hope that helps later dave |
Thanks
Yeah I LOVE the plexi glass windshields (dark tinted) Love them with the arch I dont get the time frame that they went to the moulded in swim platform though Have seen them (ICBM) with no swim platform and the transom is HUGE on those things. which one is more advantageous the higher transom with no swim platform or the moulded in swim platform? you can get alot of boat for the money with these things. Next boat though, Im not going on a 20 minute test drive around in a lake, im going OUT for a while and beat the snot out of it and make SURE I get something that is not going to cause me grief. Did all of these come in triple or some in Twin? Im leaning more towards Twins, dont mind blowers but dont want anything NUTS due to having to rebuild them more often. Where I boat at, is a river between Philly and NJ and hope to head down to Chesapeake bay some days and sleep out for weekends and such. From memory, Fountains dont have monster head room either? okay to sleep out on for weekends? Thanks for the reply Jason |
which year fountain is this one?
http://www.fastboats******/photopost...t=1&thecat=519 it sounds great to me, just wondering what power it has and if it is twin or triple config? any idea if this is long or short cockpit? Thanks Jason |
the molded in swim platform was on real late 89's and all 90's it wasnt untill 90 that you could get a triple engine 40 in 91 they started calling the 40 with molded swim platform a 42. same boat as a 40 and all non swim platform 40fts are called 12meters. i have not seen any pleasure version 86-89's with staggered but i know race versions were staggered. also the early 12meters had teak which dates them. i think fast boats server is down so i cant look at the boat. hope this helps
later dave |
Hey Dave,
No umm board gods have that site sort of blocked so you cant get there from here, some rivalry something or another Go to their main site, go to Gallery menu and go into Video Gallery Then the MPG is called Too Bad from Tinkerboater I dont know what year/power/ fountain that is but It has REALLY caught my eye. when it blasts past Tink's scarab, it looks so level in the water and looks like it is running very efficiently. does not bob up and down trememdously like my baja does. and those lines are to die for. I cant believe Reggie went with the glass/metal wrap around widshields, I think the newer ones ruined the look of the plexi glass angled windshields. they were just really TOUGH looking boats, the lines are just classic and timeless I wont buy a boat with ANY teak wood on it. I would rather redo plywood every few years than have teak exposed and there for 50 years. My opinion thanks for the help Jason |
anyone know this boat?
http://www.yachtworld.com/listing/yw...USD&units=Feet |
that boat has been at loto ozark for many years i believe it original came from florida has 454's with 250b&m blowers was given to a charity for the write off about 4-5 years ago i believe. then it surfaced for sale a few years ago and i believe hasnt been in the water al; that time a broker at loto has had it for sale for several years. itis a painted boat it originally was yellow gelcoat i believe and than painted yellow with the graphics i think stacey at the paint shop did the work ?
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Could there be a Deal made on it?
What do you think? Does it have a trailer? In pics and write up it says nothing about a trailer, Maybe a phone call is appropriate Also in looking at the blowers. Look how it has 2 carbs total Why are there block off plates where the front carbs should be? Can you do that to a blown engine without it leaning out and causing detonation? What HP were those engines to begin life? Any guess? 420's or 365? (they did not put 330's in them did they?) Sorry but just am very curious about these and in watching the one on that video from F A S T B 0 A T $ dot I N F O video gallery I have this force driving me to investigate the fountains of last decade, they look incredible and fountain has a great reputation Jason |
as for as a deal goes give them a call, like i said that boat has been for sale for 2-4years down here at the lake i belive it has 420's the blowers only have one carb on top, ive seen many that way i think they say 2 carbs per motor give better fuel disturbutuion. i have never seen the boat on a trailer so i assume there isnt one i spoke with the owner that gave it away for charity for the write off ( thats why i know about the charity thing) he was a denist from KC he tried to sell with no luck then took the write off. he moved into a searay for the family he said he had alot of problems keeping it running correctly maybe the blower issue he didnt seem to be very mechanically inclined, you know put fuel in tank and go type. i actually was down at LOTO this last weekend and drive by mid-missouri all the time and i was looking in their lot. that boat was not thier so maybe they moved it are sold it or put in back although i looked (from the highway at their back lot and didnt see it. kind of hard to miss yellow and all. if i can help let me know.
later Dave |
Too Bad looks like a 90-91 38' Fever.
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Has the Pointed windshield which tags it as a "lightening"
Has the platform on the back so has to be Post 1990 model the only pointed windshields were the 33-35 and 40-42 lightening models that is WAY bigger than a 33-35 so has to be 40-42 The fever's had rounded windshields and fairings. Back4more, you have twins or trips? Oh wait your all supercharged up right? Trying to see if the 1988 40 ICBM with twin 420s sounds and performs well, there is one for sale over at Trenton marine for 70 grand (think that is a bit high) with twin 420s and TRS Jason |
It's definitely a 38...I looked at the video again.
The 40-42's have a large triangular vent at about where the sun pad starts...Its not there on TOO BAD. It seems that the video is horizontally streched out a bit for some reason. |
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Here's a 90 on a trailer for$70K...looks nice.
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/8/39359378.htm |
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Another 89 thats nice for $69,900...
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/9/1342059.htm |
the all white 40 fountain is also at loto it was for sale at the same broker as the yellow one. dont know anything about that boat
later |
what do you guys think of this one?
Only thing it needs to be perfect is me behind the wheel and an arch http://www.yachtworld.com/broker/br_...oker&mls_true= |
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Looks like she will be very thirsty.
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that is what I was afraid of.
can you remove a third engine and just glass up the hole? make it a twin with no reprocussions? Jason |
Looks like its been run haed and put away wet so to say. the upolstry is not fountain and actual looks like a below par quality to many puckers an such. i personelly would rather spend a few extra dollars and by something nice then buy something beat up. believe me after your done you'll have the same money in it and miss out on the time to boat while repairs are being made. been ther done that. ask me about a searay i bought out of florida just needed alittle work (joke)
later Dave |
Well considering my choices are limited as is, I spoke to the sales dude at Trenton marine
his 1988 ICBM has twin 420s' and said they are tired, maybe a season or two out of them and they are done. Has standard Merc Gil exhaust on that boat, 420's TRS drives, porta potti and that is it EC (extended cockpit model) Has arch Has 2 covers Is trentons boat NOT a broker or individual that is selling boat. (im hoping that is good.) Sales guy said he would be willing to take engines out and redo them if I wanted, or put headers and blowers on them ect. anything I wanted but his price for an 88 is sort of high at 70 with no trailer Any input? I am going to take a small trip over on saturday to see this ICBM but was hoping for something more power and sounds like that TOO OLD boat Jason |
the white boat with red and grey stripe that back4more posted is i believe 88-89 not a 90 looks to have a flat transom and the stripes are for those years. they were call 12mm. i believe in 88-89 fountain had a fire and lost the flat transom molds that is how the swim platform came about new molds to replace old destroyed one i may be wrong though i thought i read that somewere.
later |
how about the 47 competion series boat any one know were that boat is know. the red one called the Dealer
later |
Later,
I saw the "Dealer" boat for sale about three months ago in the Yacht Trader. I'm not sure if it's still in there. Jayl13, You may want to contact Midnight Rider and ask what his buddy has for sale. He always seems to have a few Fountains in stock. I'll keep an eye out for you also. I take it you want a 12 Meter or an early 42? Dan |
yeah, with twins, but that BOOM BOOM boat im digging, but like I asked before,
can you take out the engine in the middle and glass up the hole and then you have twins with extra room in engine compartment and an extra engine and drive ect on a stand in your garage? is that possible or suicide? Jason |
Jay,
Buy a triple engine boat, and remove one engine? That's a bad idea! Did you want spend another summer working on a boat in your driveway? DS |
No not at all, but im getting ancy and already want to move up to something that my wife would want to go out on
since I dont have an enclosed head she wont sleep out overnight or anything which really F**ks up my origional plans. If she is not with me when I go out, what the hell is the point? And why is removing an engine a bad idea? Spacing for trips (back 2 engines) should be identical to twins, just center is lower to not hit anything and for drive to have enough prop in the water to move. I dont know about the integrity of the transom if there is a monster hole there that gets glassed up though. Would it be weakened or actually stronger than if there was never a third engine? Jason |
i have asked this same question on the apache thread it seems that the spacing of the two back engines is the same as a side by side so yes you would be able to take the motor out and glass it up. Why would you go through the expense when there are plenty of others available. by time you factor all the glass work etc you'll probaby end up same $$$ as if you bought one correct the first time. plus all the triple engine boat have saddle tanks, and then with the triples and staggereds they move the rear seat forward 15-18" so you dont have much space behind frt seats, you will need to think about the balance of the boat now, and on and on and on. Or you can give me a call and i'll sell ya a 98 ready to go, just bring your swimmy suit and gas card.
later Dave |
well your 98 im sure is way out of my price range
remember im not rich by any way shape or form trying to keep this in the 350-380 a month range (wiht my baja traded in, so financing around 45 thou or so) you want to sell me a 98 42 fountain for that much hell Ill bite, Jason |
http://www.fountaindirect.com/used/12Meter88.html
what do you guys think of this one? Looks delicious to me Jason |
certainly looks like it has the right stuff
later |
There ya go...lots of bang there for the buck.
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Originally posted by Jayl13 No not at all, but im getting ancy and already want to move up to something that my wife would want to go out on since I dont have an enclosed head she wont sleep out overnight or anything which really F**ks up my origional plans. If she is not with me when I go out, what the hell is the point? And why is removing an engine a bad idea? Spacing for trips (back 2 engines) should be identical to twins, just center is lower to not hit anything and for drive to have enough prop in the water to move. I dont know about the integrity of the transom if there is a monster hole there that gets glassed up though. Would it be weakened or actually stronger than if there was never a third engine? Jason Just my $.068 |
I have had a boat since October of 2001 and have had it in the water all of 3 hrs since I got it
Have spent 17 thou on new engines and new every god damn thing this boat had everything replaced engines are sitting in my garage, new everything and I have to get engine #2 dyno'ed now since when I did run it she had 5 psi of oil pressure. I know about dicking around and missing a season so does my wife that is why I just want something that I can get out there and USE not look like a monkey dicking around in the driveway turning wrenches just so engines can come out again and go back to the engine rebuilder a 2nd and third time. Im sure there will be other boats out there, always is. I just need to get it from a dealer that takes trade in's so I can just unload my baja that way and not worry about dealing with selling it myself. dont want to be bothered with this damn thing anymore and you know what, this boat will probably run its ass off for YEARS the day I sell it. (new engines 400 HP each, new exhaust(dry), new hell everything, gimbal rings, swivel shafts, bellows boots, shifter cables, steering cables, gauges, carpets, stereo, amps, airbrushing, refurb'ed triple axle trailer, new props, new cockpit cover, new batteries, new battery hold down boxes, all new wiring, new neon lighting in engine compartment and in cockpit, new VHF radio, new graphics, all for the low price of 30 grand I think i will have best deal going out there but dont want to bother with sea trials and other crap and the BS these guys have to put up with people not calling them back, other people just being dicks No thanks just looking to trade up (own baja outright) Von B, also it is going to take time to work on the wife, that might take until end of summer or beginning of fall start early, never know where you might end up??? Going to see this ICBM and this other 40 fountain Trenton has for sale but I still think the are too expensive Plus I love to poke around and see what diamonds in the rough these dealers actually have Jason |
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