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MILD THUNDER 10-24-2005 10:15 PM

Boat hauling
 
I have been thinking of getting into the trucking biz. Was gonna go and buy a tractor and put it to work with a friends outfit hauling containers.

Just curious if there was a demand for people needed to haul boats. Say like sunsation powerboats, Checkmate, formula, etc. Say sunsation has a new dominator leaving the factory and it has to go to a dealer at LOTO. Or, a board member needs his boat hauled down to FL to get rigged, or just a guy buying a boat who needs it towed? I think there's a guy on the board who does this, just wondering if there's any money in it. I'd much rather drive a 2006 F350 diesel dually around than a kenworth. Plus Id get to haul cool boats rather than a container full of diapers.

Downtown42 10-24-2005 10:29 PM

Re: Boat hauling
 

Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
Plus Id get to haul cool boats rather than a container full of diapers.

you mean full of mexicans ? coming to america :chimp: :chimp:

MILD THUNDER 10-24-2005 10:34 PM

Re: Boat hauling
 
Anyone have any clout with Formula? Id like to haul just their fastechs around. The factory isnt to far from me. :D

JPD Motorsports 10-24-2005 10:42 PM

Re: Boat hauling
 
The trucking industry is a tough gig right now, but I would rather tow with a semi than an f350. Longer life out of the truck a used clean unit wont cost more than a new dually better stopping power than a dually, not restricted to the size of boat you can haul with it "cruisers" granted the insurance will be a little more but the long run you would make more with it and if boat hauling isnt what it pans out to be then you can goto another carrier. In FL for wellcraft I believe they use a company called Genmar? do alot of hauling. If oyu get the first gig do it right and word of mouth will be your best friend in the industry.

Sean H 10-24-2005 10:44 PM

Re: Boat hauling
 

Originally Posted by Hard On
In FL for wellcraft I believe they use a company called Genmar? do alot of hauling. If oyu get the first gig do it right and word of mouth will be your best friend in the industry.

genmar owns wellcraft don't they?

hillbilly24 10-24-2005 10:53 PM

Re: Boat hauling
 
The boat hualing buisness is tough, most of them operate as part of a marina or boat dealer so they really don't have much overhead involved with the hualing buisness since they have the trucks and trailers anyway. Ther are some guy like the one you referred to on here, Jeff Murray, that do it and I couldn't say for sure but I'd guess he makes a decent living at it. He has to hustle all the time though always looking for a load in some city so he doesn't have to deadhead, deadhead miles will kill you if you let them add up. The best bang for your buck in the trucking buisness is heavy haul work, over sized and over weight loads like heavy equipment. There aren't neer as many people in it and they charge what they want. You have to step to atleast a 7 axle but an 8 or 9 axle will make you alot more money, there are probalby only a few dozen 8 axles in each state if that. There is alor more involved in this kinda work like dealing with permits and the paperwork involved, this is why most people stay out of it. You have to keep track of your mileage in each state and pay the permit fee per state based on that and your weight. Just to give you an example of the money in it though, the average 90k pound lift costs me about 16k to hual from California to Florida, there are about 2k in permits involved that the trucking company has to pay as well as about 2k in fuel at current prices. It's a five day run becuase you can only run daylight hours with that load and you have a half day on each end for load and unload. That leaves you with 12k for a weeks work, of course you still have to pay for the truck, trailer, and maintenance. Don't under estimate the cost of maintenace on one fo these beasts, including down time it adds up quick, your probably looking at around 2-4k a month on average and it will be much higher when it comes time to buy tires. You can find plenty of low mileage 8 axle set ups for aound 120k, truck and trailer. I actually have a good friend that just got a new truck and has his old setup for sale. It's an 02' Pete 379 with the condo sleeper and a 600 CAT, the trailer is a Lidell 55k, Lidell's are the Cadilacs of low boy trailers. With that setup you can get a blanket permit in your state of registration for 136k pounds which will cover loads to about 95k pounds.

hillbilly24 10-24-2005 10:54 PM

Re: Boat hauling
 

Originally Posted by Sean H
genmar owns wellcraft don't they?

Yes they do and they have there own trucks, which expliand why the truck says Genamr on the side.

mbowers 10-24-2005 11:01 PM

Re: Boat hauling
 

Originally Posted by hillbilly24
The boat hualing buisness is tough, most of them operate as part of a marina or boat dealer so they really don't have much overhead involved with the hualing buisness since they have the trucks and trailers anyway. Ther are some guy like the one you referred to on here, Jeff Murray, that do it and I couldn't say for sure but I'd guess he makes a decent living at it. He has to hustle all the time though always looking for a load in some city so he doesn't have to deadhead, deadhead miles will kill you if you let them add up. The best bang for your buck in the trucking buisness is heavy haul work, over sized and over weight loads like heavy equipment. There aren't neer as many people in it and they charge what they want. You have to step to atleast a 7 axle but an 8 or 9 axle will make you alot more money, there are probalby only a few dozen 8 axles in each state if that. There is alor more involved in this kinda work like dealing with permits and the paperwork involved, this is why most people stay out of it. You have to keep track of your mileage in each state and pay the permit fee per state based on that and your weight. Just to give you an example of the money in it though, the average 90k pound lift costs me about 16k to hual from California to Florida, there are about 2k in permits involved that the trucking company has to pay as well as about 2k in fuel at current prices. It's a five day run becuase you can only run daylight hours with that load and you have a half day on each end for load and unload. That leaves you with 12k for a weeks work, of course you still have to pay for the truck, trailer, and maintenance. Don't under estimate the cost of maintenace on one fo these beasts, including down time it adds up quick, your probably looking at around 2-4k a month on average and it will be much higher when it comes time to buy tires. You can find plenty of low mileage 8 axle set ups for aound 120k, truck and trailer. I actually have a good friend that just got a new truck and has his old setup for sale. It's an 02' Pete 379 with the condo sleeper and a 600 CAT, the trailer is a Lidell 55k, Lidell's are the Cadilacs of low boy trailers. With that setup you can get a blanket permit in your state of registration for 136k pounds which will cover loads to about 95k pounds.

If Mild Thunder would get in to boat hauling, what kind of insurance would be needed & cost?

ChiToWn TapouT 10-24-2005 11:39 PM

Re: Boat hauling
 
You make it sound like ocean containers from the yard.
Or is it local p/u and delivery or over the road work?
Do you want to be away from home all the time?
I ran domestic and international out of Elk Grove and Bensenville for ten years theres plenty of work. "O'hare"
Contract and haul loads to the APO.
Get a couple cube trucks and do hot shots.
Cargo vans and do pick up and delivery of small packages for cargo companys
theres over 1000 cargo companys in that area and they all dont have there own trucks.

You just need to plan it right theres plenty of $$$ to made in that area.
But if you want to do over the road good luck.

Look into driving oil tankers for companies that do oil recycling
p/u and drop at the same places everyday and no surprises the pay is good too. Theres a couple in the Elk grove area.

Des plaines, Rosemont, Bensenville, Elk Grove, Woodale, Itasca then theres the big parks in
Naperville, Bloomingdale, Schaumburg, North Aurora has a big park going up I can keep going but you get what Im saying.

Sean H 10-24-2005 11:52 PM

Re: Boat hauling
 

Originally Posted by ChiToWn TapouT
You make it sound like ocean containers from the yard.
Or is it local p/u and delivery or over the road work?
Do you want to be away from home all the time?
I ran domestic and international out of Elk Grove and Bensenville for ten years theres plenty of work. "O'hare"
Contract and haul loads to the APO.
Get a couple cube trucks and do hot shots.
Cargo vans and do pick up and delivery of small packages for cargo companys
theres over 1000 cargo companys in that area and they all dont have there own trucks.

You just need to plan it right theres plenty of $$$ to made in that area.
But if you want to do over the road good luck.

Look into driving oil tankers for companies that do oil recycling
p/u and drop at the same places everyday and no surprises the pay is good too. Theres a couple in the Elk grove area.

Des plaines, Rosemont, Bensenville, Elk Grove, Woodale, Itasca then theres the big parks in
Naperville, Bloomingdale, Schaumburg, North Aurora has a big park going up I can keep going but you get what Im saying.

i think he was asking about hauling boats....

ChiToWn TapouT 10-24-2005 11:57 PM

Re: Boat hauling
 
If he doesnt want to haul containers for his buddy those are just some options.
He said he was curious about boats.

Sean H 10-25-2005 12:00 AM

Re: Boat hauling
 

Originally Posted by ChiToWn TapouT
Containers
and curious about boats.

i don't think he is gonna haul to many containers with a 2006 f-350.... he was gonna go into containers...

ChiToWn TapouT 10-25-2005 12:05 AM

Re: Boat hauling
 

Originally Posted by Sean H
i don't think he is gonna haul to many containers with a 2006 f-350.... he was gonna go into containers...


No I dont think he could do it either
But it would make for a good picture :eek:

hillbilly24 10-25-2005 01:11 AM

Re: Boat hauling
 

Originally Posted by mbowers
If Mild Thunder would get in to boat hauling, what kind of insurance would be needed & cost?

I would recomend a minmum of 1 mil in liabilty insurance just to cover all bases and give customers piece of mind. We all know that in todays boat it doen't take al that much to get to a mil real quick. Make sure it is good insurance too, not some flight by night company. good insurance costs more but it's well worth it when you need it, and remeber you don't always control when you need it. What happens when another vehilce cuases an accident that totals the boat in tow but they don't cary near enough insurance to cover it, why would they they don't own a million dollar boat. Unless you work with a good insurance company that will promptly pay the claim and make thing right with the customer you buisness won't be long for this world and you will find yourself in bankrupcy court. My comany has been involved in many product liabilty claims over the years, none of them were actually anything wrong with our product just the moron operating it, we have payed out millions to morons but without good insurance we would have gone under a long long time ago. To carry that kind of coverage through a reliable carrier you would be looking at around 10k a year with a pickup and probably 12k a year with a real truck. That is asuming everything is done right and the pickup is commercialy registered, if not the insurance will be much less on the pickup but god help you if you ever make a claim that way. With the big truck there is no choice but commercial registration.

Nykamp 10-25-2005 04:29 AM

Re: Boat hauling
 
Fred last week had 2 Sunsations that had to get from the factory to florida so I called the # he had posted. What a joke, they where paying $1500 for a 1200 mile trip. Try paying for a new dually and care in custody insurance and fuel.

MILD THUNDER 10-25-2005 08:36 AM

Re: Boat hauling
 
My buddies outfit picks up containers from a rail yard, back and forth between Chicago and Lima Ohio. Several other runs, but you get the idea. Keep th ideas comin, some good info

45sonic 10-25-2005 09:06 AM

Re: Boat hauling
 
Formula has their own trucks and move the boats themselves. Very rarely do anyone else get the opportunity.


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