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dreamer 11-03-2005 09:39 PM

supercharging a 500efi
 
saw a playboy for sale w/500efi and prochargers..... 100mph club

so i thought about gettin blowers

procharger, whipple,vortech

whats the difference

performance
price
reliability
life of the motor
resale
effect on insurance

did i forget anything?


oh yeah... who has done it and are u glad?
any headaches?

Nykamp 11-04-2005 03:29 AM

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BLUE MOON the 36 APACHE has them and he boats about 250-300 hours a year. They have been on for a couple of years. Ben at Percision Power Offshore here in Grand Haven can do it for you. They are a real nice setup. Call Ben 1-616-844-1000.

RHC 11-04-2005 07:36 AM

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Ted,, I know the Blue Moon boat and its setup,,, Steve is right ,, It is fast and very reliable,,, Ben did a good job on it and they run it hard and fast !! I think you would like it on your Playmate eeerrrrr Playboy!! :D :D :evilb:

RHC

Smitty 11-04-2005 07:54 AM

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My old single was Whipplecharged and my current twin setup is Whipplecharged. Would not have it any other way. What you need to do is go for a ride in a boat with blowers. Once you go for a ride you will want them on yours. Just make sure you set it up right from the beginning and you will have no issues.

tomcat 11-04-2005 08:45 AM

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The Rtech system for that engine produces a reliable 800 HP with reprogrammed ECM and upgraded fuel system. That's about the limit for the stock engine. You need 12" clearance above the stock intake.

Almost everybody that supercharges ends up wanting more. Our blower and intercooler are good to 1000 HP but the engine needs much better parts to take the extra power.

Good Luck!

Tom

Semper Fi 11-04-2005 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tomcat
The Rtech system for that engine produces a reliable 800 HP with reprogrammed ECM and upgraded fuel system. That's about the limit for the stock engine. You need 12" clearance above the stock intake.

Almost everybody that supercharges ends up wanting more. Our blower and intercooler are good to 1000 HP but the engine needs much better parts to take the extra power.

Good Luck!

Tom

Tom,
What is the price of the R-Tech system?

PhantomChaos 11-04-2005 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamer
performance
price
reliability
life of the motor
resale
effect on insurance

did i forget anything?


oh yeah... who has done it and are u glad?
any headaches?


performance: better
price: a lot
reliability: upgrade is good....drives can get hurt
life of the motor: we'll see
resale: who cares
effect on insurance: went up some

I'm glad I upgraded with that. It made it a new boat for me and I liked doing the project. Remember, it's not just the motor, but you have to have additional gauges too. Fuel pumps, sea strainers....blah blah blah.

In business, I design various things, so I designed the new dash plates and asked our sheet metal place to make new ones and repaint/silkscreen them all. Looks nice (to me). I still don't know the performance increase since I didn't replace the speedo (80MPH) and it pegs that.

It had XZ drives, which are good drives, just not strong enough. Now I have one XZ and one XR. The XR uses more power to turn and therefore has less RPM.....just waiting for the XZ to blow. I moved from Bravo1 28 labbed to 32 stock....but now I'm trying 30 stock. Seems about right.

dreamer 11-04-2005 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RHC
Ted,, I know the Blue Moon boat and its setup,,, Steve is right ,, It is fast and very reliable,,, Ben did a good job on it and they run it hard and fast !! I think you would like it on your Playmate eeerrrrr Playboy!! :D :D :evilb:

RHC


what kind of drives is blue moon running?

and shame on you to mention a boat by name and not post any pics!!!!

you should know the rules by now OLD MAN :eek:

PhantomChaos 11-04-2005 01:03 PM

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The dash project.

PhantomChaos 11-04-2005 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomChaos
The dash project.


More.....

dreamer 11-04-2005 03:04 PM

Re: supercharging a 500efi
 
my engine guy is looking into whipple and procharger

nort how many mph did you pick up?

Smitty 11-04-2005 03:26 PM

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I picked up 16 mph on my single and 20 mph on the twins setup.

PhantomChaos 11-04-2005 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamer
nort how many mph did you pick up?

Still not sure.....

BajaRunner 11-04-2005 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty
I picked up 16 mph on my single and 20 mph on the twins setup.

fuk! is that on the 36 outlaw :eek:

dreamer 11-04-2005 04:03 PM

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i figure id run in the mid to high 90s
which would be a 15 mph

Tricky919 11-04-2005 04:41 PM

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Dreamer, if the playboy your talking about is the white one with the gray interior that has the pro chargers, i was told it runs 103mph

H20 Toie 11-04-2005 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamer
i figure id run in the mid to high 90s
which would be a 15 mph

Dreamer doesn't yours run in the low 80's now?

Strip Poker 388 11-04-2005 05:47 PM

Re: supercharging a 500efi
 

Originally Posted by PhantomChaos
performance: better
price: a lot
reliability: upgrade is good....drives can get hurt
life of the motor: we'll see
resale: who cares
effect on insurance: went up some

I'm glad I upgraded with that. It made it a new boat for me and I liked doing the project. Remember, it's not just the motor, but you have to have additional gauges too. Fuel pumps, sea strainers....blah blah blah.

In business, I design various things, so I designed the new dash plates and asked our sheet metal place to make new ones and repaint/silkscreen them all. Looks nice (to me). I still don't know the performance increase since I didn't replace the speedo (80MPH) and it pegs that.

It had XZ drives, which are good drives, just not strong enough. Now I have one XZ and one XR. The XR uses more power to turn and therefore has less RPM.....just waiting for the XZ to blow. I moved from Bravo1 28 labbed to 32 stock....but now I'm trying 30 stock. Seems about right.


Nort nice looking install.

I would recommend the Whipples . He will have them ready soon. I would say it would make around 750 on a stock500efi.. They have a much better and cleaner package. The pro charger works also but the innercooler you have to mount some were :eek: they recommend the stringers :( The Whipple has a better innercooler at 9+ pds boost the air inlet temp was only 10 degrees higher in the intake over abinant.this was on a steady state pull!!!

Now the Whipple comes on hard early in the RPM. were the Procharge comes in later , The Procharger would be easer on drive ,if ya stab it say from idle or like mine has about 5-6 psi at 3000rpm.800plus TQ :eek: I usually wait to after peek TQ at about 4500 before I stab it.

Now the Pro charger is defiantly cheaper.

Ill post some picks when I get to the house

Rob

Strip Poker 388 11-04-2005 05:48 PM

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Here some info
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...=500+efi+build

pm203 11-04-2005 06:22 PM

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I have heard that the vortechs power curve is better suited to preserving drives.

Anarchy Powerboats 11-04-2005 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomChaos
Now I have one XZ and one XR. The XR uses more power to turn and therefore has less RPM.....just waiting for the XZ to blow.

Thats redneck boating if I ever heard :D :D :D

tomcat 11-04-2005 10:43 PM

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Semper Fi: Give little Bill a call at Victory Marine. He advertises on OSO and he is an Rtech dealer.

Rob: You know I can't let you get away with any loose talk about intercoolers. :evilb:

There are two things cooling the air in supercharged engines; the intercooler and fuel evaporation. Where you are measuring manifold air temperature on your Whipple, both things have occurred so it's hard to comment on the cooling efficiency of the intercooler alone.

I have never tested the Procharger 504 intercooler but we have monitored temps anywhere from 78F (@6psi) to 90F (@8psi) using 70F lake water during WOT tests of our systems in the boat. The only thing that makes this possible is having a big intercooler.

Nort: That is a sweet looking dash...having any trouble reading them all at speed? :D I'm always asking my customers, "What was the boost and RPM?" They never know... :rolleyes:

PhantomChaos 11-04-2005 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tomcat
Nort: That is a sweet looking dash...having any trouble reading them all at speed? :D I'm always asking my customers, "What was the boost and RPM?" They never know... :rolleyes:

Thanks TomCat..........that's why the boost gauges are right next to the tach's. Easy as pie to see together. :D :D :D :D

PhantomChaos 11-04-2005 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by METAL BROS RACING
Thats redneck boating if I ever heard :D :D :D


Yeah yeah yeah...........not me baby! :D :D :D :D

GLH 11-05-2005 06:08 AM

Re: supercharging a 500efi
 

Originally Posted by PhantomChaos
...I moved from Bravo1 28 labbed to 32 stock....but now I'm trying 30 stock. Seems about right.

Nort,

I am selling a pair of 4 blades 30" labbed. I am underproped now that I re-built, changed pulleys, added super-chillers and blahh blahh blahhh... Anything you would want?

Strip Poker 388 11-05-2005 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tomcat
Semper Fi: Give little Bill a call at Victory Marine. He advertises on OSO and he is an Rtech dealer.

Rob: You know I can't let you get away with any loose talk about intercoolers. :evilb:

There are two things cooling the air in supercharged engines; the intercooler and fuel evaporation. Where you are measuring manifold air temperature on your Whipple, both things have occurred so it's hard to comment on the cooling efficiency of the intercooler alone.

I have never tested the Procharger 504 intercooler but we have monitored temps anywhere from 78F (@6psi) to 90F (@8psi) using 70F lake water during WOT tests of our Yea systems in the boat. The only thing that makes this possible is having a big intercooler.

Nort: That is a sweet looking dash...having any trouble reading them all at speed? :D I'm always asking my customers, "What was the boost and RPM?" They never know... :rolleyes:

True fuel evaporation helps too The sen is in the back lower part of intake :D I wish it had direct port injection that would be nice :drink: vroom vroom

Rob :D

dreamer 11-06-2005 11:04 AM

Re: supercharging a 500efi
 
any other blower brands?
and what are the prices per side? for each brand














or someone buy my boat so i can get something BIG w/ #6s


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