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:drink: :drink:

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Big Wave Boating :D

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Very difficult indeed. On lake Michigan there is only one way to get on top with waves that high. I go close to shore in the troughs and run in behind the pier opposite the wind direction, get on top and then run like hell past the pier straight into them. The bigger trick is stopping. Once you have had enough you are way out in big water and the second you come off the throttle you stuff. :rolleyes: Wet ride every time. NK

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.......ONCE! :evilb:

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Waves and swells are two different things. Waves have much greater face height. People measure the face and/or the back. You just need to be specific when talking about how high the swells are and how far spaced out. Stacked together=easier to stay on top. far apart makes for launch ramps. And the big problem is the hole you drop into on the back side.

It averages 4-6's where I live and it's not fun to boat in. Just depends on how much you want to beat the sh!t out of your stuff!

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We're talking waves here, not swells.
Otherwise give me 2-3ft waves on top of 8ft swells for a nice ride anyday in a 41 apache. :D

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I was out in true 2-3ft waves w/ 5ft+ swells in my 24pantera... and the wife was not happy running at 35mph. When you got inbetween the swells and couldn't see over them, she got nervous.
If i was w/o her, 50mph would have been a good time. :cool:
and incase you are wondering... the swells were coming at the starboard beam, and the waves from that rear corner.

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Watch the 2002 APBA Cape Cod Race.

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JCPERF, yeah the big box on the back keeps waves from rolling up the engine hatch to an inch below the seat tops when I am trolling offshore. That is what the waves used to do, then drop down the edges of the hatch into the bilge. The box stops that from happening now, it is great!

I was in a bad storm off Block Island and we were doing about 20 MPH with the waves trying to roll over the back of the boat. Without the box, I think we would have sunk. Also great for getting on and off the boat in Nantucket, Palm Beach and Kismet <gg> to high fixed docks.

Offshore w... you can only run fast in big waves if they are closely spaced. I believe you are thinking of swells, and alot depends on how far apart they are. You are wrong to think a Sonic can't take big waves, as it is one of THE strongest boats out there. Push on the hull side of your boat, if you have one, and see what happens. The F boats will bend in, but you will break your hand on a Sonic before it will move.

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Thats the funniest thing Ive read in awhile! :evilb: I wouldnt ask my worst enemy to do that!

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Well, she was yelling in fear everytime I tried to go faster, and waves were coming in the boat at idle speed, so it was better for the boat and safer (for me) to bounce her around inside the cabin. There she could not see me pin the throttles. She lived. :cool:

She is scared during storms when you can look down twenty feet into the wave holes, so now she sits in the rear seat where she can't see, and cross checks the chart plotter with the Etrex. Most women would not go out with me in those conditions, and she did get me through some terrible storms. Once I could not see the inlet at all, and thought we were going to roll over on the beach. She was dead on with the numbers, otherwise we would have been dead.

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Well, significant wave height is determined by the average height of the highest one third of waves recorded in a given monitoring period. Whatever that means! :confused:

I am guessing that 99% of boaters measure wave height by the distance between the crest and trough. That being said, I have no doubt that a 38 ZR could get on top and run in 6+ footers at 80 mph if the spacing was right.

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this is some of the funniest i have had the opportunity to read yet :D :D
its doesnt matter if u are in a cig fountain ol etc,,

its like bench racing how everyones boat goes faster, the waves are bigger,,
anyone who has experience with the sea knows that a 6+ face is going to kick your azzz..
i have been out in mean waters racing sailboats,ocean crossings etc and if you think u can take your powerboat out and run it at speed you are nut kidding or crazy.... someone gonna get hurt,, stuffing and dying is very likely in chit like that,,,
some of the biggest water i have been in with our LITTLE 35 foutain was off the coast of long beach coming back from newport,,
would have enjoyed a 80 to 120 foot Azimut or sunseeker that day :D

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Like I said, it depends on the spacing. All waves are not created equal! I've been in 4 footers that were a riot and we were running wide-open and I've been in 4 footers where we couldn't even get on plane and got pounded in our little boats. Different sharpness, spacing, rythem, etc.

If they are spaced right a 38' boat(not just a Donzi) could get on top and run fast.

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so your trying to tell me that a Sonic is built like an Apache? i do own a boat and its a 1973 Cigarette 28ss. Sean and Naughty Kitty's old boat. now if you think that's not a strong hull, u don't know your boats. i have taken that boat in some huge waves especially this fall up in GH, MI. Naughty Kitty will back that up. i am in the market for a bigger boat so your telling me that if i love jumping waves and big water i should look at a Sonic instead of a Cig or Apache?

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Hunh? I detect the smell of inexperience. Where did I say your old cig did not have a strong hull? You are the one who claimed Sonics can't take big seas. Where did that come from?

There is nothing wrong with any of the boats you mentioned in the last post, including Sonics. But, if you truly like to boat in horrible sea/lake conditions (I don't, I just get stuck in them sometimes), I'd advise you to purchase an enclosed bridge, 60 foot Hatteras.

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you said something about boating and then you said even if you have a boat, so i responded. i never said a Sonic doesn't have a strong hull, those boats weigh a ton. i said there was no way that you were in that big of ways going full speed with your wife wedged somewhere in the cabin. everyone on this site knows that's not true. bring your Sonic to GH, MI and i will show you inexperience. remember you're the one that doesn't like rough water.

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:eek:

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ohh that gonna hurt :eek:

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This is the most true statement I've read on here.

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nice air!! imagine if those were 6 to 8's? scary :eek:

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"you're the one that doesn't like rough water"

You got that right. Frankly, I have had enough storms at sea in an open boat. A 60 foot hatteras looks really good to me, just can't afford one right now. <gg>

With more time on the water, and lots of dollars spent for wave bashed and busted boat parts, I think eventually you will think the same: boating is best in nice weather conditions. Big waves means big scares and busted boat parts. I don't like either one.

Pic of the new Sunseeker ? above means, after a few miles of that, a broken microwave, busted stereo amps, seat components that are bent or broken etc. etc. maybe a broken nose and bruised thighs.

Talk to anyone who has battled 50 miles of big waves and my guess is they prefer boating in nice weather. I have yet to meet any experienced boater who has not been taught a painful lesson or two by King Neptune.

Oh yeah, you complained Sonics are heavy. Yep, that is why they are good sea boats, just like your old cig. A light boat, no matter what is it made of, will beat the H*&^ll out of you in big waves. You want max weight for a better ride.

Phil of Lipship......your boat is not an avil, don't beat on it!

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[in them sometimes), I'd advise you to purchase an enclosed bridge, 60 foot Hatteras.[/QUOTE]

i would still go for the Azimut or sunseeker :D
has to be min of 80 ft thought,,
maybe next yr :drink: :rolleyes:

IF YOU WANT TO RUN IN 6 -8 ++ FT CHIT THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED :D

by the way those are prob 3 - 4 max. those boats are almost 14 ft long.

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unless u in a rubber boat with a helmet on
and i recomend a propgaurd and a lifeline jacket
thats what we do,,
anyone game puerto vallarta on tue for 3 weeks gonna go play in the suref and waves,
got my 17 yr old son for co pilot :D
THEN ITS FUN
but stay close to shore cause when u flip momo might, well probably wont start.. :eek:

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Hey, he is surfing the wrong way! <gg>

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check out my mexican tow vehicle kicks any f 350 or topkick azz :drink:

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Ooo, you bad! I'd say that is easier to park than a dually, and likely gets better mileage too! You are having loads of fun and that is what counts.

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At least it's FRESH water.

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One less problem to deal with, too true. Another is no sharks when you get thrown out for a swim, unless you are in a Donzi, of course. :D NK

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Talk to anyone who has battled 50 miles of big waves and my guess is they prefer boating in nice weather. I have yet to meet any experienced boater who has not been taught a painful lesson or two by King Neptune.

![/QUOTE]

You now have officially met your first one. Nice to meet you. :drink: NK

P.S. Me makey big splash, go fast, hunt Donzis.

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King Neptune has not taught you any lessons? Oh Oh, look out, you are due for one and it will not be pleasant.

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,,,hmn...i dont consider myself the most "experienced" boater considering im only 13, but stil readin thru this thread was one of funniest thigns i ever read. weve gone over big "wakes" from toehr boats, or "swells"....but the worst weve ever been in "not speakin for my dad(was in big seas, gail winds etc, when he took test drive up north in winter when he first got stinger)" the worst acual consistent wakes i been in were true 3-4s in the old stinger..(the worst feeling was a 2 wake with a deep dip off a 55-65ish ft sea ray in the check at 40 some mph :evilb: ).and i no a lot of people on here have been in waay worse, but some of the stories they tell that go along withthe big wake experience dont seem to be too "concinving"....nevertheless its great to hear the responses :drink:

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A 6' wave measures 6' from crest to trough as pictured. If a class you took said different I'd ask for a refund :drink:

Detailed Wave Summary
H0 Significant Wave Height is the average height (meters) of the highest one-third of the waves during a 20 minute sampling period.

SWH Swell height is the vertical distance (meters) between any swell crest and the succeeding swell wave trough.

WWH Wind Wave Height is the vertical distance (meters) between any wind wave crest and the succeeding wind wave trough (independent of swell waves).

BTW I have a 38' Donzi ZX and have not done 80 in 6-8 foot seas, of course with 500s I can't do 80 in any seas :D

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Thank you professor!

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Oooooooo such knowledge evident here, to be used when crossing to Bimini. <gg>

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well knowledge can and does save lives,, especially when boating in the ocean. major inland water bodies etc, not saying its not just as important on smaller lakes etc but generally there is more congestion and in an event you would be more likely to ge assistance,
i think alot of people dont take serious enough and tragically it takes lives every year,, i think that for the majority and most part the folks that are involved here and have these types of boats have the smarts and common sense,, thankfully!!...
i think its good to have an understanding,
be able to read charts, be able to do some navigation, understand and know the currents and tides, be able to tie diff knots, know how to relay madays,
i ran into a guy this summer who had no idea why some marks were red and some green, :eek:

i wont say what kinda boat you guess

1, 42 tiger
2, 17 boston whaler
3, 18 open bow chaparell
4, 38 bayliner
5, 28 ft sailboat

1st correct answer will get a california fastboats t shirt in jan when our next run of shirts is done. :D

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what was GLH doing out in california.... :eek: :D

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What's wrong with that? :D :drink: I do some of my best engineering on bar napkins.

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oh that was cold :drink:

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i have heard that alot of big deals also go down starting on a bar napkin...