Poker Runs America Responds to EBM Article
12-31-2005, 03:09 PM
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Poker Runs America Responds to EBM Article
Has anyone else received their latest issue of Poker Runs America? 
They address the EBM article from a few months back...
Thanks for all the feedback Bill!
I think you covered all the bases....
This sums it up well. Click here for thread.
They address the EBM article from a few months back...
Thanks for all the feedback Bill!
I think you covered all the bases....
This sums it up well. Click here for thread.
Originally Posted by ANDREW REALTOR
tHEN BILLS THE MAN 
Originally Posted by RHC
Does this mean that the meeting at the Miami boat show is cancelled ,,, I sure hope so ,,, I want to go see the show !!! 
RHC
RHC
Originally Posted by OldSchool
As usual...I haven't gotten mine yet. My mailman isn't done reading it yet!!
Originally Posted by docmanrich37
LOL but is he done with your playboy mags yet.
Originally Posted by Hauling Trash
Why did Dave uses the word "SPORT"
Bill T, Is protecting his investment.
Ron P was 100% right on the MONEY
Bill T, Is protecting his investment.
Ron P was 100% right on the MONEY
Originally Posted by RHC
Ron P was NOT 100% correct on his statements.. He made bad comparisons and false statements on over 50% of his facts!! He made assumptions based on his racing experience ,,,, a poker run is not a race and therefore no comparisons can be made,,,, He wrote and printed a one way story and then slammed the Poker Run Events as a whole ,,, Just one of his comparisons ,,,, Race boats have canopies,,, Poker Run boats do not ,,, I mean ,, Come on Guys , they are two complete different events .. and ,, if ya take the numbers over a equal time frame ,., the Poker Runs are much safer with a much greater numbers of participation !! 
RHC
RHC
Originally Posted by sharkeymarine
You think so Mike???
Give it another issue or two and see how many advertisers seem to have a different opinion.
I think that article cost the magazine thousands of dollars in future advertising revenue....
Is that what you call being, "Right on the money"???
Annual meetings apparently already take place with the APRA and there will be one at the Miami Boat Show. (It is not the same meeting being offered by EBM)
With limiting the number of people allowed to come to the EBM's Summit to 25 people, how will they pick and choose who will be allowed to attend?
I would think at the minimum, you would want representives from the Engine Manufactures, Boat Manufactures, Law Enforcement, and Event Organizers to be able to attend such a meeting. Their limit will not allow that.
Give it another issue or two and see how many advertisers seem to have a different opinion.
I think that article cost the magazine thousands of dollars in future advertising revenue....
Is that what you call being, "Right on the money"???
Annual meetings apparently already take place with the APRA and there will be one at the Miami Boat Show. (It is not the same meeting being offered by EBM)
With limiting the number of people allowed to come to the EBM's Summit to 25 people, how will they pick and choose who will be allowed to attend?
I would think at the minimum, you would want representives from the Engine Manufactures, Boat Manufactures, Law Enforcement, and Event Organizers to be able to attend such a meeting. Their limit will not allow that.
Originally Posted by birdog
Ron Ps idea of a "safety Summit" is Great !...Devoting an entire article to proving a Poker Run is a race was just plain foolish though & served NO purpose at all...No GOOD purpose. No more race comparisons in last months EBM
Originally Posted by bojoe2
Mike when was the last time you did a poker run or should I SAY WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU DROVE A BOAT IN A POKER RUN "NEVER" so lets keep facts to facts not what someone has told you, I know you just want to chime in but till you have been there and done that keep your 2 cents to yourself your just creating more enemies on OSO and your not a bad guy either so stop. All fpbc runs and pra and njppc runs have pace boats and if you pass them and your out end of story! . JOE
Originally Posted by sharkeymarine
If the APRA already has a Safety Meeting set up in place annually, then how is this "his" idea? What is the purpose to set up a second meeting the same week?
Originally Posted by sy goldberg
I think I should be invited to these meetings so I can offer my input,tact,and diplomacy.
12-31-2005, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bajabob38
You going to that meeting would be like taking a Bologna sandwich to a Texas barbecue 
Originally Posted by IN10SE
When will the meetings be and who's going?
Originally Posted by sy goldberg
RE:Comments made by BAJABOB 38. please ignore him as most of you are unaware that he recently sold his BAJA because it was too fast for him and his mind is going rapidly.I had an attempt at a conversation with him but it was hopeless.I kept hearing him repeat something about a Bayliner and a marraige at sea to CATMANDO.
Originally Posted by Hauling Trash
JOE
I did 6 poker runs last year.
The NJPPC is the only one that has rules and stick to them.
Mike
I did 6 poker runs last year.
The NJPPC is the only one that has rules and stick to them.
Mike
Originally Posted by bojoe2
i did 6 alone with apra and bill is strict about rules and fpbc does not let you pass the pass boat or your out i saw it first hand stu threw a guy out of the club. maybe whoever you were with didnt follow the rules. just my 2 cents when we run we follow the rules and our boat runs 150 if we wanted to push it.
Originally Posted by bojoe2
Bajabob Your Alive Will We See You At The Party In A/c :d
Originally Posted by sy goldberg
He is alive but incoherent since FIRSTMATE 38 announced that a major body part of his resembled a car fuse.
Originally Posted by birdog
I dont know...But at least another safety meeting is not hurting anybody.....The whole "Race"-poker Run story was
bad press for ALL of us ! It is fuel for the antis & serves NO good purpose
bad press for ALL of us ! It is fuel for the antis & serves NO good purpose
Originally Posted by Panther
I'm 50/50 on the subject of Poker Runs....
The NJPPC runs a great event and stick to the rules and so do a lot of other organizations.
The fact of the matter is; when you call a poker run a "World Championship" it tends to make one think it's a race and it sure feels like it when the front runners are buzzing by you at over 100 mph with a cheap inflatable life vest on, that's why I stay in the back of the pack these days.
With the accident in NYC last year and the tragedies of this year, maybe it needs to be toned down a bit. Save the speed runs and pissing contest for sanctioned events and on their own time.
The NJPPC runs a great event and stick to the rules and so do a lot of other organizations.
The fact of the matter is; when you call a poker run a "World Championship" it tends to make one think it's a race and it sure feels like it when the front runners are buzzing by you at over 100 mph with a cheap inflatable life vest on, that's why I stay in the back of the pack these days.
With the accident in NYC last year and the tragedies of this year, maybe it needs to be toned down a bit. Save the speed runs and pissing contest for sanctioned events and on their own time.
Originally Posted by GLH
Can your walker make it that far?
Originally Posted by Payton
I thought the article was just fine. There have been some unsafe Poker Runs. Hopefully no more. Congrats to those that run a safe one and Congrats to EBM on a great article that got people talking.
Originally Posted by BK
I didn't read the article, but I am with Panther and Payton on this one. My background is in boat racing, but I've been on a couple of poker runs and have to say I didn't like what I saw. There was some real scary stuff going on and made me never want to attend another. So this controversy sounds like could result in some needed improvements at certain events that currently aren't up to par.
Improvement is always a good thing, right?
Improvement is always a good thing, right?
Originally Posted by MarkSmith
Originally Posted by Hauling Trash
JOE
I did 6 poker runs last year.
The NJPPC is the only one that has rules and stick to them.
Mike
I did 6 poker runs last year.
The NJPPC is the only one that has rules and stick to them.
Mike
As I thought more about it, Bill Taylor and Poker Runs America deserves just as much publicity as the EBM article received!
So here is the thread reposted.
Also, Hopefully the same F------n owners can try to stay on the topic and leave out the XXXual references!!!
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12-31-2005, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sharkeymarine
Has anyone else received their latest issue of Poker Runs America?
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01-13-2006, 03:49 AM
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Some great news for a change:
Boating deaths drop in Northeast
Recreational boating fatalities are down for the second consecutive year in the Northeast waters covered by the 1st Coast Guard District.
There were 39 fatalities in 2005, down from 41 in 2004. The 2005 figure is a 40-percent reduction from 1998’s 65 recreational boating fatalities, says Al Johnson, the district’s recreational boating safety specialist.
The district is made up of Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, a portion of New York (including Long Island) and the northeastern section of New Jersey.
In 2005 manually powered vessels, such as canoes and kayaks, accounted for 20 deaths, while motorized vessels accounted for 19.
Most recreational boating fatalities are the result of a fall overboard or a capsize caused by inexperience, inattention or inappropriate behavior, Johnson says.
Source of article: http://www.tradeonlytoday.com/
Boating deaths drop in Northeast
Recreational boating fatalities are down for the second consecutive year in the Northeast waters covered by the 1st Coast Guard District.
There were 39 fatalities in 2005, down from 41 in 2004. The 2005 figure is a 40-percent reduction from 1998’s 65 recreational boating fatalities, says Al Johnson, the district’s recreational boating safety specialist.
The district is made up of Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, a portion of New York (including Long Island) and the northeastern section of New Jersey.
In 2005 manually powered vessels, such as canoes and kayaks, accounted for 20 deaths, while motorized vessels accounted for 19.
Most recreational boating fatalities are the result of a fall overboard or a capsize caused by inexperience, inattention or inappropriate behavior, Johnson says.
Source of article: http://www.tradeonlytoday.com/
01-13-2006, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilTwin
I still haven't gotten mine yet! 
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01-13-2006, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
That's funny, mine came in the mail yesterday!!!!
Maybe mine will be there when I get home!! It better be!!
01-13-2006, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Back4More
I like the way EBM put the Race vs. Poker Run list up...makes you think.
Oh it makes me think alright....... 1Race:"Winner is first to reach finish line
vs
Poker Run:"Winner" is first boat to reach the first card stop
2Race: Boats prepared and checked by race teams
vs
Poker Run: Boats prepared as needed
3Race: Approved race suits worn by drivers
vs
Poker Run: Bathing suits/Bikinis worn by participants
4Race: Time penalties for breaking rules
vs
Poker Run: Verbal lashing or "Banned" for breaking rules
5Race: Canopies required for many classes
vs
Poker Run: 98% of boats don't have canopies
6Race:Helmets & lifeline safety jackets required
vs
Poker Run:Safety equipment is not strictly enforced
7Race:No passengers
vs
Poker Run: Pile'em in, everyone is welcomed
8Race: No Insurance during race
vs
Poker Run: Boats are covered by Insurance
9Race:Top Speed limited by rules (via GPS)
vs
Poker Run:There is no speed limit
10Race:Stringent Rule Book for race
vs
Poker Run:No published Rule Book
11Race:Onboard Scuba/Air Systems for Drivers
vs
Poker Run:Only ex-race boats have air supply
Page 32 pissed me off even more than the article itself...
Since when is there a maximum speed limit in racing other than the P-Classes?
Unless I missed something, I don't remember seeing anywhere in the Super Classes that you are not allowed to exceed a certain speed limit. Afterall, isn't that what the Super Unlimited Class is all about?
Page 32 is filled with one person's biased opinion with a sarcastic tone!
Race:" Engines/Drivetrain modifications prohibited"
SBI/APBA Rule 5.1.3. "The cylinder block and cylinder heads may be modified providing none of the cylinder volumes exceed the class limit.
Rule 5.1.6.2. "45'-50' No engine CID limitation or restrictions
Poker Run:"Winner" is first boat to reach the first card stop
Any Poker Run I ever been to, the "Winner" is the one with the best hand of cards...and the Charity that is involved with it!
Poker Run:"Only ex-race boats have air supply"
Now how would they even know this unless they have been inside every participating poker run boat??? Just what boats have they been in, to make such a statement?
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01-13-2006, 07:34 PM
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The other thread was moved out of the "Poker Run" section to the General Discussion section....
So I thought that I might as well post what was over there onto here:
"I just finished reading Bill Taylor's article in Poker Runs America and this email pretty much sums it up!!!
I just received a copy of the latest Poker Runs America Magazine in the mail today. In this latest issue I found a holiday present for poker run organizers, dealerships and manufacturers alike. Starting on page 38 there is a 6 page story titled 'Poker Runs are Here to Stay" writtten by the magazine's publisher Bill Taylor.
Bill addresses the EBM story head on and calls the EBM story "wrong all on counts." Bill backs up his claims with numerous examples of safety at poker runs across North America as well as sharing his 19 years of experience being an event producer. Bill also states that "this type of editorial sensationalism in an avid performance magazine should not exist." He also states that "the detrimental articles should be left to the mass media."
Bill outlines how all APRA events (PRA events as well as APRA sanctioned events) are conducted and are extremely distant from the "free for alls" as claimed in EBM.
I would like to commend Bill Taylor and the entire Poker Runs of America organization for directly addressing this issue. The story is extremely well done and is based on the real facts of our sport.
In February all of the major performance manufacturers, dealers and poker run organizers will be meeting at the APRA Safety forum. You can bet that with the combined experience of all three groups that the sport will continue navigate down a safe and exciting path!
Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!"
Best regards,
Dave Patnaude
President
NJ Performance Powerboat Club
So I thought that I might as well post what was over there onto here:
"I just finished reading Bill Taylor's article in Poker Runs America and this email pretty much sums it up!!!
I just received a copy of the latest Poker Runs America Magazine in the mail today. In this latest issue I found a holiday present for poker run organizers, dealerships and manufacturers alike. Starting on page 38 there is a 6 page story titled 'Poker Runs are Here to Stay" writtten by the magazine's publisher Bill Taylor.
Bill addresses the EBM story head on and calls the EBM story "wrong all on counts." Bill backs up his claims with numerous examples of safety at poker runs across North America as well as sharing his 19 years of experience being an event producer. Bill also states that "this type of editorial sensationalism in an avid performance magazine should not exist." He also states that "the detrimental articles should be left to the mass media."
Bill outlines how all APRA events (PRA events as well as APRA sanctioned events) are conducted and are extremely distant from the "free for alls" as claimed in EBM.
I would like to commend Bill Taylor and the entire Poker Runs of America organization for directly addressing this issue. The story is extremely well done and is based on the real facts of our sport.
In February all of the major performance manufacturers, dealers and poker run organizers will be meeting at the APRA Safety forum. You can bet that with the combined experience of all three groups that the sport will continue navigate down a safe and exciting path!
Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!"
Best regards,
Dave Patnaude
President
NJ Performance Powerboat Club
Originally Posted by bojoe2
that sums it up bye bye ebm
Originally Posted by Tantrum
"this type of editorial sensationalism in an avid performance magazine should not exist." He also states that "the detrimental articles should be left to the mass media."
These two quotes are dead on!
Look forward to reading the article myself and supporting PRA. See ya in the 1000 Islands.
These two quotes are dead on!
Look forward to reading the article myself and supporting PRA. See ya in the 1000 Islands.
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