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tlark 01-31-2006 08:54 AM

Rule of thumb/boat lift ?
 
How do you determine what size you need as far a lifting capacity. i.e. 10,000lb boat w/o fuel & equip. your should be looking at 14 to 16000lb lifts ?

Lots of 12000lb lifts at the LOTO but I think they are too small. Manf. says my boat weighs 9700 and thats dry, me thinks 12k lift cuts it close. Correct thinking........

Sean H 01-31-2006 02:30 PM

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go with 16k that way it will lift it with gas and people in it....

Jonas 01-31-2006 03:49 PM

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i have a center mount 14k lift for my 9k fountain and its great,
i have a center mount 4500 lb for 3k lb ski boat,
i was told the sidemounts are rated 1000 lbs less than what they can hold,.
i had a sidemount and i think they suck,,
raise the front then the back and keep it level by adjusting the valves from side to side.
i have hydrohoist brand and i have also heard other manufacturers are diff.
i would go bigger than you need as if youy get a bigger boat lift can stay and it seems more stabil.

Clay Washington 02-01-2006 11:53 AM

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I got a 12,000# HydroHoist for my 31-foot Cig Bullet. Do you think it's large enough? :(

masher44 02-01-2006 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Clay Washington
I got a 12,000# hydro hoist for my 31-foot Cig Bullet. Do you think it's large enough? :(


what brand lift?...

Sean H 02-01-2006 05:02 PM

Re: Rule of thumb/boat lift ?
 

Originally Posted by Clay Washington
I got a 12,000# hydro hoist for my 31-foot Cig Bullet. Do you think it's large enough? :(

full of fuel, coolers and people, it might not make it...

DORaymond 02-01-2006 05:06 PM

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Clay, I have a 9000#, 4 pontoon Hydrohoist (old) that I use with my Bullet. I am sure it is a little small, but it has worked for years.

Don

The Menace 02-01-2006 05:14 PM

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Both lifts i have are 16,000 lbs. This is what the manufacturer's reccommended for a 12,000 lb boat. Only a few more bucks.

kageman 02-01-2006 05:26 PM

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I had a 16,000 lb lift support a few different boats, 38 Top Gun, 41 Apache, 42 Fountain and 47 Fountain. Look at the weakest point on the lift as that is what will cause all of the problems (the gear box load rating, cable strength and ask what the material deflection is under a full load). Typically lift manufacturers build in a minimum 25% weight safety factor i.e. 16,000lb. rated lift should hold 20,000lb. without any structural damage or failure.

Semper Fi 02-01-2006 05:32 PM

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I would over do-it then under do-it :D

Jamie B. 02-01-2006 07:40 PM

Re: Rule of thumb/boat lift ?
 

Originally Posted by tlark
How do you determine what size you need as far a lifting capacity.

General rule of thumb is one and a half times your weight.

itilldo 02-01-2006 08:08 PM

Re: Rule of thumb/boat lift ?
 
Well not to take over the thread but could a 10,000 lb HydroHoist (new style) lift hold a 38 Fountain?

tlark 03-21-2006 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kageman
Typically lift manufacturers build in a minimum 25% weight safety factor i.e. 16,000lb. rated lift should hold 20,000lb. without any structural damage or failure.


I wanted to rev-visit this ? again b/c of this statement and its truth as newby. I have been looking for 14-15k lbs lifts.

I have located a lift 4 sale in which the owner had the exact same boat I now own. Its 12000lbs and our boats weight 9700lbs dry and I figure w/gas, people (etc) I would have over 12k easy.

Lift owner said he never had a problem as I made mention that it may not be a big enough lift.

Somewhat perplexed by the 25% statement, thats 3000lbs +/- extra capacity

comments welcome.

Signed,
winter still sucks !!!

TopSpin80 03-22-2006 07:21 AM

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the boat is most likely a considered at least a live load on the lift, most likely engineered for more than 1.6x the weight of the boat.... 10k lb lift could hold 16k just before failure.... but you better get a lift rated for higher than you boat I don't think you insurer wants a 16k lb boat on a 10k lb lift.

Clay Washington 03-22-2006 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by masher44
what brand lift?...

HydroHoist - triple pontoon

Harper220 03-22-2006 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean H
full of fuel, coolers and people, it might not make it...

Why would you want to lift the boat when it's full of people? We always let the boat down before anyone gets in and everybody get's back out before it goes back up.

tlark 03-22-2006 09:00 AM

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To be specific the boat(330SS) will be right at 12000 lbs full of fuel/water, 2-adults 2-kids and a added 500lbs for gear just to be safe. Not trying to skimp and realize a 14-15k lift may be better suited, its just I see myself moving into a 370SS in a few years and I will have to get a larger lift then anyway.

If the rule of 25% extra capicity applyies then a 12k lift has the ability to lift 15k, and in my case I don't see my boat being too much more than 12k and less than that when raising and lowering the boat to be safe.

masher44 03-22-2006 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Clay Washington
HydroHoist - triple pontoon


You should be fine.... HHoists are the best IMO. a 12K lift can take higher. My neighbor at my marina in TN used a 18K lift. I used an 8K lift for my 29 beak boat and had plenty to spare. The largest lift we sold was 12K and it was used for a 33 Sundancer that was next to me. It should be OK.

WildWarrior 03-22-2006 12:42 PM

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I cant answer the rule of thumb part !
I can only say that my neighbor and I both own 16000 lbs capacity hydro lifts. In our case a 9900 lbs dry 38' Cigarette and in Toms case a 38' Fountain. The 16000 lbs was recommended per application at the time,so far know issues for either lift.
With fuel and passengers we are well above the 12000lbs mark!

Von Bongo 03-22-2006 12:46 PM

Re: Rule of thumb/boat lift ?
 

Originally Posted by tlark
How do you determine what size you need as far a lifting capacity. i.e. 10,000lb boat w/o fuel & equip. your should be looking at 14 to 16000lb lifts ?

Lots of 12000lb lifts at the LOTO but I think they are too small. Manf. says my boat weighs 9700 and thats dry, me thinks 12k lift cuts it close. Correct thinking........

My 97 Kevlar top gun with full cabin sits on a 12K lift at LOTO no problem. So did my 93 Kevlar TG all with full fuel.

I think 12 K will do you just fine but if you are worried go with the 14K

Rebel_Heart 03-22-2006 03:14 PM

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My 35 Fountain sits on a 10,000 lift and it seems to raise it easily.

ACTIVESHACK 03-22-2006 10:06 PM

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Always go bigger than you need. That way you have room for enpansion. I lift a 35 fountain with a 4 motor 16000 lb. lift. Overkill for sure but i know that 42 is down the road somewhere.

BZ 03-24-2006 08:14 AM

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I found a custom 18,000 lb Hydro Hoist for my 35ft fountain I know it is overkill but it leaves room to upgrade......BZ

BZ 03-24-2006 08:29 AM

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mr_velocity 03-24-2006 12:28 PM

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Depends on the lift. We (I saw we meaning my lift company) had a customer put a 45' triple engine Sonic on a 12,000# lift with no problems. The lift would stall when lifing the boat full of fuel until he changed the lift motors. We also have a customer on LI that has (not sure if he still does) a 13 Whaler on a 120,000# lift. Reason being the Army Corp and EPA has cracked down and said you can only do this once. Piles can never be driven in this body of water again. So he is ready for anything.

My advice has always been by the lift that will carry your dream (realistic). Aluminum 3 post lifts will be good for 30+ years of service. So do it once and be done forever. If you think you may go to a cat someday, make sure you get a lift that is wide enough. I have converted a few lifts that were setup for V to Cats.


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