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Let me be the first to predict that if the LOTO shootout happens in 2006, that the new boat Bud Select turbine will take the cake..if I had to guess I would say it looks like it was designed just for this purpose :D ..thanks for the photos of Miami, I live close but decided to not try and fight the traffic this year.

now let me get the popcorn ready.... :D

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I would agree, the boat is amazing

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:D :cool:

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do the wings do anything to help the boat or just look bad ass

Wild

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Not ever seeing the new Bud Select boat (if someone has pics please send them to me) I will put my money on Callan marine again only because they have been playing the turbine game longer than anyone. I also think that their new boat (last years top gun) kicks ass and has alot of research and development into it. just my 2 cents.

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Good question,,,seen them on top fuel for years,,,helps hold the back down. But top fuel also has them on the front as well to help hold down that end as well. I do not think just a wing on the back will do too much good as it will either lift the rear or push down on it,,,both things seem to not be good...if you put wings on the front also, (like unlimited Hydro's) you get down force on both ends most of the time unless a gust or wake throws the bow skyward and then the boat loops out.

I have often wondered why,,,with todays computer stability controls, these boats don't have active wing control to drop the nose on the start of a loopout...It would seem that in the first few milliseconds,,,if the control caught the change in angle of attack, that the wing could be pivoted to drop the nose...The danger being that too much correction and the boat turns into a submarine.. :eek:

Modern jet fighters can not fly without this computer control stability program running.

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MTI Randy said the rear wing is ajustable and will be use for keeping the boat stable

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I think team Victory has a release in the tunnell to vent the air if the nose goes to high. If Im not wrong reggie tried to put that on a skater he ran for awhile.

CM

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Turbine power Bud. Piston power Derebery.

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If you look top fuel hydros dont run wings anymore because of stability issues though the lower classes do (alcohol hydro and alchol flat). I designed a new cat hull (which i own the patent on) when I was going to engineering school which utilized a front canard wing in front between the 2 sponsons. This wing could be controlled by a lever or a foot pedal and would give the driver another control surface for the bow by either raising or lowering the nose when under power with out having to adjust trim angles as much . The big plus is it can be used to prevent blow over. If the boat starts to blow over simply pitch the front wing and drop the nose back onto the water. (sounds good but i havent been able to try it out yet) . Unlimited Hydros use front canards between the sponsons for the same reason but they are more suseptable to blow over because of a major power to wieght ratio diffence that can not be over come by aerodynamics.

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how big (surface area) of canard would it take to keep a 40'+ cat from blowing over at 150+ MPH?

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Bud select does have a canard on the front, as did his skaters. The rear wing is hyd. adjustable from the cockpit.
Did you happen to notice the direction of the tubines. This was a key factor in the design and what slowed the process down significately.
Callen is a cool boat, but he doesn't have a chance. Bud select is going to do some amazing things this yr. :D

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I agree! Bud Select (turbine) will surprise a lot of people this year at the shootout. I will put 42MTI's money on it :D

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Didn't Callan wreck their boat racing last year?

I saw it at the dock here last year. They were there for testing.

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Bud select never had a front canard wing on thier Skaters the closest thing they had was a tunnel tab which in no way is anything like a canard wing. I havent seen the new turbine boat yet so I cant comment on that.

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you might want to check some pictures then... :cool:

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Oh come on, we all know Dave gets scared easily. LOL :D

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I do not think that the wings used on existing unlimiteds have the range of motion or are they computer controlled..a human pushing a foot pedal or pulling a lever just ain't going to cut it when it comes to split second adjustments that are necessary for true stability control..Without a system that can change the angle of the wing significantly in spit seconds, fixed wing or adjustable by human, electric switch or other method can not match a properly designed stability program that can change wing positions thousands of times per second and be able to make radical position changes to help "save" the boat. Without such systems all the F-117A's, B2's, and new F-22 would not be able to fly they would simply be smoking holes in the ground.

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I know the difference between the front and backend of a boat. I don't exactly know the defintion of canard, maybe you can explain. The skaters had a replaceable wing on the front of the boat, between the sponsons at the front of the tunnel, to change the amount of air entering the tunnel and adjust the amount of down force. This was referred to as canard at the Miami boat show, so assumed that was correct. :rolleyes:

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That would be my vote also Big Daddy!!

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you got it exactly right... :D not bad for an okie.... :drink: :evilb:

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they rolled in KW, but only had minor damage. Its all fixed now.

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Got you covered, Big ones line up, little ones bunch up.

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I'm just a parrot repeating what I hear. I do try to listen to intelligent people though. :D

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You can't vote, you'd just take it back anyway.






















SORRY, I was just couldn't help myself. To much caffieine

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:eek: :eek: :eek:

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When doesn't Callan wreck their boats? :D

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I'll say Bud.

What's Derebery (sp) have up his sleeves??

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Wrong again! That's two days in a row. You're going to have to do better tomorrow. These photos were taken from the 2003 Ft. Lauderdale race. The front cancard could be set for automatic attitude control or manual for JT to operate. Testing this and a couple of other items is the reason we settled with what is on my turbine boat.

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new 36' Skater built to set the speed record. Major mods to the Hull, Arneson fixed drives, adjustable rudder and 3000HP Chevy's with Turbo's

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What do yo mean if? :rolleyes: It's already on

http://www.lakeshootout.com/

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You need a big "wrong" buzzer like on the game shows... :D

bzzzzzzztt!! :D

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Should be interesting this year with Bud Select and Callan, no prediction here, just hope that everyone races hard and comes home dry! :D
We might even come up for the Shootout this year, I was kinda tricked into going, during a drunken moment! :drink:
Dean

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If I ever ran my boat in the shootout, a very big concern would be to make the race course safer by eliminating those dam rollers from the cruisers on the East end. Hell, they've made it idle from Glaize entrance all the way to Moorings, why not extend it to 18mm during Shootout?? Last summer during the x games at pb2 they extended no wake to party cove, so skiers won't have extra waves. How about no wake for boats running 200+????

Somebody's gonna get hurt real bad one of these days if they don't do something...

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There you have it!!! :evilb:

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Oh and I gotta go with the home town Kilo Kat

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The Shootout this year should be really good. Since Rasta is gone from there, where is a good place to stay?

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I've met both of these guys over the years at races and at the Shootout. Both are great guys, with exceptional team members surrounding them. While both of them are outstanding representation of offshore racing and performance boating,
ya always gotta cheer for the hometown gang. ;)
Having said that, let me add, At the speeds these teams are achieving, I'll just wish both of them the best of luck, and everyone come back to the dock safely.

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"Take-it-backanaw?!!" :evilb:

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As much as i hate to admit it, thats good!!, now cut the old man some slack!