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I doubt they were found in a barn & that the owner didnt know they were a performance boat motor.

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what is sitting on that Skater dually trailer that is in the backround ????

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What we call shops in Jersey they call Barns out in that neck of the woods.....
I picked up their lingo pretty quick! :D

But no way was I losing the Jersey accent.... :drink:

I wouldn't mind having a Barn in my yard... The Checkmate would be real happy then.... ;)

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Once they are put back together, I hope to show pics of them in a Dyno Room...

Probably will need the tractor to load them up on the buggy though... :rolleyes:
There isn't a Dyno in the Barn.... :(

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Those motors were really a plumbers nightmare! I am sure that even when they were built, the cost per HP had to be off the charts! They will make great converstion pieces, but if you are going to run them in a boat today you had better start putting the shop and pit crew together now just to tune and service them! Oh' buy the way, rob a few banks on the way for replacement parts! Really though ,congratulations on the find and the great picture layout!, Bruce was the "real rocket scientist of his time!!, he was really "outside the box" on those babies!

Ray @ Raylar

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What are all the tubes that are in the valley for?

Jon

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I am trying to still determine if it is for directional oiling or water cooling myself. :confused:

Some PMs I have been receiving have been helpful, but still need to figure alot of that plumbing out!

There are some lines that run in/out of the turbos then into the front top of the head into those tubes that then run down along side the exhaust ports.
A lot of engineering went into this stuff! :eek:

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Those tubes are for water.Goes in the block and out the head it looks.The Donovan block might be half filled for strength reasons.

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That's what I am thinking JC.
Until we actually blow some air through it, we won't know for sure where some of this stuff goes. Personally, I think it's water.
If you look down on the side of the block, there are more fittings coming out of the side of it...

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That Is Some Sick Looking Stuff //////Big HP //////

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What type of little problems ?? :confused:

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I am not old enough to look at the pictures, but I do remember something that may pertain to these motors, maybe not-

Bob Kaiser (Systems boat) worked with GM on a hi-tech marine engine. If I remember correctly, it was 3?? cubic inches and was turboed. The heads and block had seperate cooling sytems- They built a few prototypes and had problems because they used a prototype Vette ECM that had a flaw in the mapping which caused a lean condition. I think one block cracked through a main bearing bulkhead. There was an article about this about 6 years ago, I don't know if kept the magazine.

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Thanks Bull Dog!

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Sharkey you may try KE as he was probably fairly familiar with the engines as he played in that sand box many years and normally has a pretty good handle on what is going on with competitive offerings.

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Being a newbie to OSO, but an old timer to performance boating I figure I would respond here......

Those motors, from my recollection, were 357 cubic inch De-Stroked Donovans, dry sump, pontiac heads, twin turbos, kinler fuel injection Bruce Falls/Mclaren creations......I dont know too much of the history of where/how and when but, I do know when they were running, nothing would touch them, .....I think issues they had were in the fuel management system and programming and such....

That was then, this is now.......if those who own these packages decided further develope those gems eg: newest, up to date electronics ect......turbo technology has grown leaps and bounds since 1996 (I believe the origin date of this motors).......man o man, what a killer endurance motor...with 1200 to 1400 hp without a sweat!!!

And if rigged in a competitive hull!!! If I were some of the big boys, I would be worried.....

Love this site!!

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SHARKEY KNOWS ALL........................ :D :D :evilb:

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No he does not!!! That is why he posted this threat right Shrkey :evilb: :evilb: :p :p OSO Knows all :drink: :drink:

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I agree with Husker. I talked to Gifford a couple times some years back about purchasing the CUV. These are the motors that he was trying to sell with the package including the semi to pull it. 357CU.In. Donovans, turboed, etc. He would be a guy to contact for more info.

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i'm no CSI or anything but why is there a Lufthansa sticker on the crate, did these come back from the EU???

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Lufthansa!!!??? is that where Jimmy and Henry hide those engines, after the big heist?...Seriously, thoses are some sweet pieces, if it was an injection issue that kept them from being reliable, it seems with a F.A.S.T. or Motech ECM and some dyno time you should be able to work out the bugs. Good luck

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I know of another set of those or very similar twin turbo setup on the cradle available in upstate New York. One of the dirt track teams that I work with told me about some marine motors that were in the back of the shop and they showed them to me on my last trip up there. They were out of my league for my boat but they were very impressive and had me ogling for hours. It was about 1.5 years ago when I looked at them but I am sure that I can get more info on them if anybody is interested.

Todd Howerton
Outlaw Disc Brakes
770-844-1777

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BINGO !!! :drink:
Welcome to the board Husker Performance!!!

You are correct Jon.
Mr T may want to read the board's rules before someone decides to take out the trash... :rolleyes:
Well over a dozen times he has posted the same post throughout the forum sections.... :rolleyes:
He is as interesting as much as SPAM... :rolleyes:

Metal Bros & Sonic30,
Yes they were overseas at one time.... Good eye! :)

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Yes Todd, I would certainly be interested...

PM me if you can with any contact info.
Thanks!

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WOW,,,,,SHARKEY DOES KNOW ALL.................. :D :D :evilb: :evilb:

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Keep it up and Sharkey will phuck you up :evilb: :D :evilb:

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Hey JC,

Mr T and his F******n started kit likes to talk trash.
Trash is all he knows... :evilb:

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You're right on the money!!! :drink:

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I hope you are on a pile of money to put those back together :evilb: :evilb: :evilb:

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That will not be an issue...... :)

I am sure it will cost big $$$ just to replace all those SS Braided Hoses let alone finding the best electronics... :eek:

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Anyone have Bruce Falls number or location? :confused:

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MM be nice

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Nice find tim

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Roflmao..... Jimmy and Henry.... are there any bullet holes in the backs of the heads?.... lmao :D

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Bruce used to have a shop in rochester michigan down the street from me. i believe he is in california now. A friend of mine does some work with him. Ill see if i can come up with a phone number, it will probably be a few days im going to be away from a computer until monday.

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Thanks!

That would be great! :drink:

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Are those engines out of a Cosworth Vega ?

:D

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sharkey you always have the best threads---you da man. keep em comming! :D

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At 350-360 inches on 93 octane, how many rpm would you need to get up around 1100-1200 hp......10,000? :D

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BOOST :eek:

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Thanks !!! :drink: :drink: :drink: