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yahoo 04-02-2006 07:23 AM

Ethanol in skaters
 
Since it looks like we have ethanol coming this way this summer, what can you do to help protect the tank ?

Does it apply to all skaters or just the outboard ones that mix gas with oil ?

Thanks,

JIMKID Motorsports 04-02-2006 08:11 AM

Re: Ethanol in skaters
 
I Was Out At Skater The Other Day And Was Talking To The Girl That Was Doing A New Gas Tank In A Mold. She Said That They Are Using A New Product That Is Compatable With The New Fuels. You Might Want To Check At Skater If Your Tank Has The New Stuff Good Luck

yahoo 04-02-2006 08:38 AM

Re: Ethanol in skaters
 
Is it just ethanol (85% ethanol) that causes the problem ?

Or does gasahol(10% ethanol) cause the problem also ?

TomFTM 04-02-2006 08:05 PM

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ttt

TomFTM 04-02-2006 08:48 PM

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Does anybody know if any marine company has an additive that prevents the problems of this ethanol junk.

at100plus 04-02-2006 08:54 PM

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Read this thread. It certainly is junk, the only thing you can do short of major surgery to your boat is make big screens at the bottom of your fuel pickup tubes but that only prolongs the problem, they will ultimately clog as well, and it could eat right through the boat. 10% is all it takes, E85 would probably disintegrate the whole boat:rolleyes: This stuff sucks. I'm just doing the best I can to avoid it. I won't fuel up unless the gas station attendent can show me the last deliver slip. It will clearly say " contains no ethanol" if it doesn't.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...hlight=ethanol

TomFTM 04-03-2006 08:45 AM

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At100, I read that thead last night. I cant image that no company dosent have a product that would neutalize the effects of the ethanol .

LostinBoston 04-03-2006 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TomFTM
At100, I read that thead last night. I cant image that no company dosent have a product that would neutalize the effects of the ethanol .

the tanks have to be coated.

raptor 04-03-2006 09:39 AM

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We are going to run 100% Ethanol in our new Skater. Pete did some research and found a "Special" coating he used in the fuel tanks of our new boat.. Suppose to prevent any problems with fiberglass.

at100plus 04-03-2006 09:59 AM

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I'm not real anxious to cut my boat apart. :( I'll put it off as long as possible.

fountain1fan 04-03-2006 03:45 PM

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will it eat through alum

at100plus 04-03-2006 03:53 PM

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Well it's a corrosive, I don't think it will eat through aluminum quickly but it will corrode it.

Tantrum 04-03-2006 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fountain1fan
will it eat through alum

I dont think its going to eat through aluminum. There has been some concern (in the auto industry) that it could be a problem with some rubber and plastic components.
The problem that the boat manufactures (not just Skater) are having is it is breaking down the resins in the built in fiberglass tanks. So if you have a boat with fiberglass tanks your just as susceptible to the problem.

Havasu Cig 04-03-2006 05:43 PM

Re: Ethanol in skaters
 
Another reason I run straight AV or race fuel.

at100plus 04-03-2006 06:37 PM

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That's my plan, to run AV or race fuel unless it gets ridiculously inconvenient. I really don't want to rip my boat apart. I have a feeling ethanol might wear out it's welcome when people begin to discover all the problems it causes. Right now it's all hype and politics "renewable energy", "farmer's economic growth" etc...

fountain1fan 04-04-2006 06:17 PM

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glad i have alum tank :drink:

Payton 04-04-2006 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by raptor
We are going to run 100% Ethanol in our new Skater. Pete did some research and found a "Special" coating he used in the fuel tanks of our new boat.. Suppose to prevent any problems with fiberglass.

Now that I'd like to hear more about. Do you have any pics?

SHARKEY-IMAGES 04-05-2006 03:40 AM

Re: Ethanol in skaters
 

Originally Posted by Tantrum
The problem that the boat manufactures (not just Skater) are having is it is breaking down the resins in the built in fiberglass tanks. So if you have a boat with fiberglass tanks your just as susceptible to the problem.

So Chris,
I wonder what they are doing for all the gas stations that have fiberglass storage tanks ??? :eek: :eek: :eek:

raptor 04-05-2006 04:01 PM

Re: Ethanol in skaters
 
Payton, are asking about pics of the fuel tank or the boat?

TomFTM 04-11-2006 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sharkeymarine
So Chris,
I wonder what they are doing for all the gas stations that have fiberglass storage tanks ??? :eek: :eek: :eek:


This stuff is so great it won't polute the air .HA HA. I don't think they thought about the thousands of gallons of fuel that will be leaked into the ground when the gas stations tanks start leaking. I'm surprised of how few people are conserned over this problem. I guess we will see a lot more people complaining when all of our states have this stuff. I personally know of 8 people that are cutting there boats apart to get away from fiberglass tanks because of problems with the ethanjunk. :mad:

LostinBoston 04-11-2006 01:51 PM

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a better solution is biodiesel. but you need a diesel or turbine for that. Ethanol isnt junk, the infrastructure just isnt ready for it yet. new tanks will have coatings to prevent delamination. if it leaks, its biodegradable.

sleeper_dave 04-11-2006 02:27 PM

Re: Ethanol in skaters
 
I would imagine you guys would love ethanol.

Isn't E85 like 105 octane? Sure, you burn 35% more because it has a lower energy density, and it costs more than regular premium, but if you're running the compression/cams/timing to need serious octane, Ethanol is probably your cheapest solution. Just make sure you tweak that carb or you'll run way lean.

at100plus 04-24-2006 03:45 PM

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Ethanol has a very high evaporation rate particularly in the summer so in your open fuel systems you will lose your octane over a relatively short period of time. It also attracts water and it's corrosive, two great things in the marine environment.

BLee 04-24-2006 04:12 PM

Re: Ethanol in skaters
 

Originally Posted by Havasu Cig
Another reason I run straight AV or race fuel.


Would 110 octane Citgo race fuel contain ethanol?

Also, does anyone know when Skater began using the new product that isn't damaged by ethanol? Thanks.

Panther 04-24-2006 04:31 PM

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Bottom line, what does this E85 stuff mean for the rest of us? Will my blower motors run on E85, what will I need to change?

at100plus 04-24-2006 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinStepGun
Would 110 octane Citgo race fuel contain ethanol?

Also, does anyone know when Skater began using the new product that isn't damaged by ethanol? Thanks.

I believe the began using the new lining around spring of 2005.

velocitypwrbtr 04-25-2006 01:49 PM

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http://www.distill.com/World-Fuel-Ethanol-A&O-2004.html

http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php


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