thanks again nigel, as you can see it has some sun damage,most of the cockpit cover was blown off during hurricane wilma,but it would be a great project boat,

Yes...but I strongly suggest that you consider small blocks....or drive shaft extensions and moving the motors at least a foot forward.

That airborne picture says it all

T2x

hello t2x, you were right about those floors at the black duck,they definitely tilt towards the bar,kind of a captive audience,place was packed at 1:30 pm on a thursday,good food,and if i could afford it i would try to buy/restore the boat,but not in the cards at this point cheers bobcat

Just an update on my 30 shadowcat.Put on 10" of setback and a Tunnel Tab.Whay a difference.The boat is much better balanced and really flies now.You can feel it at about 55mph it just starts to run.Picked up about 8mph at the same cruise Rpm as before the setback about 70 at 3800 Rpm and just a tap of the tunnel Tab stops the porpoise.Water pressures are up and the temps stay about 150.Thanks George!

Bobcat, Glad you enjoyed your time at "The Duck!" You made a good choice on the burger.

thanks gladhe8er,asked about your dad,and the bartender said he was at lake george i think, glad i made it .

Yup, he was in Lake George for the Americade Bike Rally(even though he doesnt have a bike!)

Ask Me About Elbee

Whaaat?:cool-smiley-027:

Huh? What kind of boat does Elbee own?

I imagine you ran the boat named "Docksider?" I imagine you had issues with Elbee if so...

Docksider = Don Franklin (owner, driver... Bill Gazelle, sticks.}
Is P3 Docksider Don?

Yes it is, Don Franklin

And had a few issues with elbees ethics

...

- looking to decal the side of my 1984 30ft shadowcat- did they have a crest ? or symbol? or logo? unique to them?

appreciate any ideas ?

Ted

cio.

Hello Don,
I have the best memories from the Docksider Classic, do I have the name correct, it was a race you sponsered in maybe 1984? I remember somehow renting the units for the race, (Docksider was a townhouse development built by Don on the bay), we had a wonderfull time running that race, all the local teams showed up. Thanks Don for that memory, good to see you here, try to add with the facts os what I remember.

Michael Filippone
Double Vision Racing

Contact Ryan Beckley, has has exact replica decals.

941-758-3303 bus.

941-915-1447 cell

GJL

I remember seeing the Docksider boat at its first race....it was one of the first Shadow cats built after George and I left.

Prior to that I was the only one at Shadow who said "NO!"....... Elbie would say "maybe" in a few thousand words and leave everyone dangling regarding "deals" and "specs" and "delivery dates"...until I stepped in and over ruled. People who dealt with Elbie were frequently left believing that many things were agreed to but in fact were not. Among other things during the start up of Shadow I had to straighten these "misunderstandings" out, often a frustrating and needless waste of time. The people I dealt with directly were shielded from Elbie, had fewer problems and fortunately they were in the majority. However, after George and I left, many "black and white" issues became "grey" and integrity took a hike.... In fact that's why we left in the first place as a customer and Elbie tried to "wheel and deal" together around our new 36" Cat plug....so I had it destroyed.

To the point...... When I first saw Docksider (we were busy setting up Conquest at the time)...... Bill Gazelle proudly told me that he had "spec'd" the boat himself and convinced Elbie to build it significantly lighter than our dumb old laminate schedule. ( A schedule that we had updated and modified after literally thousands of test hours and a few years of racing....but what did we know?). I looked and listened and nodded and smiled and couldn't get away from the thing fast enough lest someone think that I was somehow involved with this "potato chip". You may blame Elbie...rest in peace...but he never understood or was involved in any of the design, engineering or building of the boats. He really couldn't give a solid answer because he had no basis to agree or disagree on any technical point. In short he couldn't help himself. He certainly wasn't evil, but he loved to meddle and leave doors open that should have been locked in the first place. If that boat did not live up to expectations you have to remember that too many hands were in the stew and there was no decision maker with any real understanding of the boat to step in.

In my opinion the boats and construction were fine when we departed and the standards and production techniques quickly turned into a reflection of the latest "bright idea" from the peanut gallery until the Shadow Cat became a sad relic of a once mighty tradition.

T2x

i just bought a 1996 cobra Cat 30 ft and i was wondering if any one here knows anything about this boats???

Elbie RIP
 

Too bad he's not with us anymore, to get his side of things.

T2X -when roughly did you leave shadowcat?
 

Hi T2X !

what month and year did you roughly leave shadowcat?

how do I determine when my boat was made- is there any identifying numbers or codes?

my ownership says 1984 but are there any other codes or numbers?

Ted

The old Chris Cat Molds were destroyed.

We left late in '82 or early '83.

thanks,

Ted

Shadow
 

You have said in previous threads that you came into Elbies fiberglass/rigging beginning in 1979 with the last of George Linders 21 Challengers, then George created Shadow Boats. You were'nt in that very long, what, 2 or 3 years? How many years did Conquest exist?

Before I answer this ...again...

What is your name?

and why are you trying to ( fairly obviously) stir up sh*t ?

T2x

Shadow
 

Its not that important that you answer, especially if you take offense to it. No worries. Just trying to follow the history and stay on topic.

So the answer is you are not willing to identify yourself?

Okay ...I'll give you this...for the sake of "history".

Co-Founder and Managing general partner of Image Boat company (Shadow)..... 1978-1983

Founder and President of Conquest Marine...

1983-1989.

Richie,

This guy pops up all over OSO. He says he's from my home town, and after some pretty disparaging remarks, he refuses to identify himself.
I have PM'd him in an attempt to speak to him face to face and find out what his problem is with me... and yet no answer... another OSO coward I guess.

Say hi to Darren for me,

T

I thought it was something like that...........

Sounds like someone very bored, trying to stir up s--t just to amuse himself. Not worth responding.

What's going on with you?

How's Darren?

Good thanks....how about you?

Good. Just doing my thing. Getting ready to go overseas. I was in the Sarasota Poker Run a couple months back in the Nortech 36 "Loose Cannon". That was a lot of fun. Otherwise, not much boating.

You been out much in the Skater?

30 ft shadowcat weight?
 

Hey T2X need some advice please- any idea roughly what my1984 30 ft shadowcat outboard model would weigh without engines ? an old add I saw said the boat weighed 2800 lbs -but I find that hard to believe as it tows and feels much heavier than that and someone else said it weighed closer to 7,000 lbs- any expert advice would be greatly appreciated (thinking of buying a boat lift or marine railway)

Ted

thanks T2X
 

many thanks for private pm to this question

as always-your advice and info -it is greatly appreciated !!!!!

Ted

"T", I'm not on OSO often, but would like to introduce myself in person when I get a chance, and stop by your restaurant and buy you a drink. Let us know the name of your restaurant and the best time(s), so the wife and I can stop in. Italian, French, Spanish cuisine? T, Are you Todd Ciminno of Apache Boats and Hawk Marine Power fame? thanks

Its been a while. "T", you still out there???

Cando,

Italian, New York City, TriBeCa Dist.

So, what is your name? You know who I am and I make no bones about it. I've sent you a couple of IMs in the past and gotten no resp. Are you hiding, because I'm surely not.

T.