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GPM 10-17-2006 08:50 PM

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Which bore 4.5 or 4.6 has less head gasket issues?

mikes280 10-17-2006 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GPM
Which bore 4.5 or 4.6 has less head gasket issues?

4.5

AIR TIME 10-17-2006 08:52 PM

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Its a gen 5 merc 93 or 94 I forget . 502 390hp merc.

GPM 10-17-2006 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AIR TIME
Its a gen 5 merc 93 or 94 I forget . 502 390hp merc.

If it's the light weight block you might not want to use it.

AIR TIME 10-17-2006 08:56 PM

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Is the 4.25 the stock crank and I would change the stroke and pistons only. to get 548?

WeaponX 10-17-2006 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Superman
220-221, whatever it takes! :drink:

Hey that's my saying. :D :D

GPM 10-17-2006 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AIR TIME
Is the 4.25 the stock crank and I would change the stroke and pistons only. to get 548?

The stock stroke is 4 inch.

WeaponX 10-17-2006 09:16 PM

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Out of one of my 598's.Just a small leak in a header is a real bad thing. :D

AIR TIME 10-17-2006 09:24 PM

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wow :eek: and thanks for the the ED :D

44MTI 10-17-2006 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GPM
Which bore 4.5 or 4.6 has less head gasket issues?

I heard that the cometic gaskets have eliminated most head gasket issues.
What RPM's are most builders comfortable with on a 4.5 stroke 1000+ hp motor. For sustained length runs.

mikes280 10-17-2006 09:39 PM

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the cometic and the new fel-pro are great and for me they have just about done away with headgasket problems

JCPERF 10-17-2006 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 42MTI
I heard that the cometic gaskets have eliminated most head gasket issues.
What RPM's are most builders comfortable with on a 4.5 stroke 1000+ hp motor. For sustained length runs.

6300 to 6500 with real roller lifters

mikes280 10-17-2006 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JCPERF
6300 to 6500 with real roller lifters

solid :evilb:

JCPERF 10-17-2006 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mikes280
solid :evilb:

904 or bigger

mikes280 10-17-2006 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JCPERF
904 or bigger

yep :D

GPM 10-17-2006 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mikes280
the cometic and the new fel-pro are great and for me they have just about done away with headgasket problems

I must be doing something wrong, head gaskets have been a nightmare for me.

mikes280 10-17-2006 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GPM
I must be doing something wrong, head gaskets have been a nightmare for me.

studs or bolts also head gasket problems can be the result of other problems, tune or weak deck or weak head

Sean H 10-17-2006 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 3600cat
Out of one of my 598's.Just a small leak in a header is a real bad thing. :D

i think i saw a block that matched those in your shop... :drink: :evilb:

GPM 10-17-2006 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mikes280
studs or bolts also head gasket problems can be the result of other problems, tune or weak deck or weak head

Big M, ARP pro studs, Big Duke heads, dark plugs,

mikes280 10-17-2006 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GPM
Big M, ARP pro studs, Big Duke heads, dark plugs,

what kind of headgaskets and how much timing

GPM 10-17-2006 10:00 PM

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Felpro 1077, 32 on 114 octane. and 12lb of boost.

44MTI 10-17-2006 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JCPERF
6300 to 6500 with real roller lifters

What rod lenth is that, and is it the same as a Merc 900 or sterling 1050. Trying to stay with the conventional head stuff. :D

JCPERF 10-17-2006 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 42MTI
What rod lenth is that, and is it the same as a Merc 900 or sterling 1050. Trying to stay with the conventional head stuff. :D

6.635 is a good rod length for that combo

Coolerman 10-17-2006 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JCPERF
904 or bigger

those work great for us!

JCPERF 10-17-2006 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by saxman
those work great for us!

That with a good Isky tool room gold stripe spring eliminates the bullsh1t 50 hour service.

JCPERF 10-17-2006 10:36 PM

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These 557s that make 1100HP went 178 hours since i built them with the big lifters and Isky springs.And they got murdered too. :cool:

mikes280 10-17-2006 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GPM
Felpro 1077, 32 on 114 octane. and 12lb of boost.

the 1077 is the mls gasket i have had good luck with them, are they leaking water or are you blowing them and if so where

JCPERF 10-17-2006 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mikes280
the 1077 is the mls gasket i have had good luck with them are they leaking water or are you blowing them and if so where

Finish on the block has to be to the specs that Fel-Pro want for that gasket.It says it on the case that they come in.

mikes280 10-17-2006 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JCPERF
Finish on the block has to be to the specs that Fel-Pro want for that gasket.It says it on the case that they come in.

you are right just got to hope he had that right hell i like that gasket better then the cometic

Strip Poker 388 10-17-2006 11:49 PM

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I don't like a sq or over sq motors.the thrust angle and the big slug your trying to sling..

Remember back when the Nascar guys were destroking there motors making more power.

Also why do you think Sterling is running that cube, they have people spending $$$.I bet the experimented on a few costumers :rolleyes: I would think they figured it by now whats the best combo, again there looking at max hp in a race application and usually have a higher RPM peek hp .I would think The bigger the ci the lower the RPM.


CI cal

http://www.itpapulling.com/ci_calc.html


http://www.ajdesigner.com/phpengine/...lacement_b.php


piston speed

http://www.csgnetwork.com/pistonspeedcalc.html

http://www.thedirtforum.com/pistoncalc.htm

rod ratio
http://www.mustang123.com/calculator...Calculator.asp

GPM 10-18-2006 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mikes280
the 1077 is the mls gasket i have had good luck with them, are they leaking water or are you blowing them and if so where

No water problems, just leaking between a couple of cylinders.

36spectre 10-18-2006 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Strip Poker 388
I don't like a sq or over sq motors.the thrust angle and the big slug your trying to sling..

Remember back when the Nascar guys were destroking there motors making more power.

Also why do you think Sterling is running that cube, they have people spending $$$.I bet the experimented on a few costumers :rolleyes: I would think they figured it by now whats the best combo, again there looking at max hp in a race application and usually have a higher RPM peek hp .I would think The bigger the ci the lower the RPM.


CI cal

http://www.itpapulling.com/ci_calc.html


http://www.ajdesigner.com/phpengine/...lacement_b.php


piston speed

http://www.csgnetwork.com/pistonspeedcalc.html

http://www.thedirtforum.com/pistoncalc.htm

rod ratio
http://www.mustang123.com/calculator...Calculator.asp

ROB,

What would make you think that they are interested in low maintance intervals and overall motor longevity???????

Otto

mrhorsepower1 10-18-2006 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tapa11
Are the solid rollers really worth the trouble?

They are well worth it. They are no trouble if the valve adjustment is done properly.

mrhorsepower1 10-18-2006 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 36spectre
Due to harmonics....always build a square engine...they are happier and
they will last significantly longer

I would have to disagree with this statement. A square engine verses a oversquare has nothing to do with harmonics. If your having troubles with harmonics get a new engine builder that knows how to balance! If every component is balanced correctly and accurately the engine will have ZERO vibration in it.

mrhorsepower1 10-18-2006 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Panther
Can someone confirm or deny but I understand the 572' has a less than optimum rod-to-stroke ratio.

That depends on how long of a rod length you choose.

mrhorsepower1 10-18-2006 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ratman
572 4.5 X 4.5

This is one way to achieve 572 cu.in. ( the most common)

customryder 10-18-2006 08:52 AM

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Dean what CI are these, I forgot what you told me.

Thanks Bro excellent job!

GPM 10-18-2006 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mrhorsepower1
This is one way to achieve 572 cu.in. ( the most common)

which one would hold up better 572 or 598 both with the same rod length?

mrhorsepower1 10-18-2006 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GPM
which one would hold up better 572 or 598 both with the same rod length?

Are we taking with a 4.5 stroke on both? If so Both packages are capable to go the same amount of hours if built right. The 572 combo will have a tad better seller between cylinders due to the smaller bore diameter.If your talking supercharged I would go with the smaller bore engine for this reason. The other objective to use a 4.500-4.530 bore diameter is to allow more rebuild life in the engine and again better head gasket seal being SC. I like to build life into the engine instead of maxing out the bore on a brand new Dart Big M or Merlin block. As far as ring seal goes between the two combos, on N/A packages both will hold up the same. SC combo ring seal may go away a tad sooner with the larger bore area 598. A ton of other factors come to play with longevity as you already know.....machining, assembly,and of course tuning!

mrhorsepower1 10-18-2006 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by customryder
Dean what CI are these, I forgot what you told me.

Thanks Bro excellent job!

557


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