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Old 10-25-2006, 05:06 PM
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Arneson.

They also work on old boats.

Kris Vogt
Kris I've seen your boat pictured on Arneson's website. How does it run now in comparison to your (I assume TRS drives), and could you give a little detail on what the project was like making the conversion? Great picture by the way.
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Just look at what Hustler does with most of their new boats. Running stock power or Diesel's and arneson drives. Its a bullet proof setup!!!!!
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Old 10-25-2006, 05:18 PM
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When the X is set at 4" above the bottom of the boat as they are on a SSM#6, they have as much trim as the Arneson.
really?... How about at 2" ....or even...or 5"?

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Positive trim on any surface drive, and I am including BRAVO's when I say this, is an impossible feat. When the propellers are running at the surface, there in only one way to go and that is down as when trimmed upward they are pushing air.
With all due respect....that spin is horse feathers. I will admit that you'll never back flip an Arneson boat....... unless the added rocker bites you.... but you can carry the bow much better with an MC.

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Best scenario, imitate Peter, Reggie or Fiore. Make a boats bottom that works on its own and uses the HP to go forward rather than pick the boat's nose up and waste HP which cost speed.
Agreed...now if you could only have dead level trim..... like a Mercruiser.

By the way..do you still advise boat builders to put additional rocker in their hulls when using Arnesons?...

I admit I'm no Arneson drive (or Kaama for that matter) fan...although I really admire Howard as a person..and loved his Pool Sweep concept....( I spent literally dozens of races in the air identifying Arneson drives from a distance by their clearly visible bow wander). ( I also can spot boats with drives spinning in from the same height and distance ....... but that's another story). For these reasons I have always believed that, if you can't afford 6 drives, than fixed surface drives with rudders make sense. No wander...level prop angle of attack..and no erector set on the back of the boat.

Good luck with your sales effort on this thread.

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Old 10-25-2006, 05:42 PM
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really?... How about at 2" ....or even...or 5"?



With all due respect....that spin is horse feathers. I will admit that you'll never back flip an Arneson boat....... unless the added rocker bites you.... but you can carry the bow much better with an MC.



Agreed...now if you could only have dead level trim..... like a Mercruiser.

By the way..do you still advise boat builders to put additional rocker in their hulls when using Arnesons?...

I admit I'm no Arneson drive (or Kaama for that matter) fan...although I really admire Howard as a person..and loved his Pool Sweep concept....( I spent literally dozens of races in the air identifying Arneson drives from a distance by their clearly visible bow wander). ( I also can spot boats with drives spinning in from the same height and distance ....... but that's another story). For these reasons I have always believed that, if you can't afford 6 drives, than fixed surface drives with rudders make sense. No wander...level prop angle of attack..and no erector set on the back of the boat.

Good luck with your sales effort on this thread.

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let me guess whats on the back of your boat... eggbeaters?
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Old 10-25-2006, 05:45 PM
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really?... How about at 2" ....or even...or 5"?



With all due respect....that spin is horse feathers. I will admit that you'll never back flip an Arneson boat....... unless the added rocker bites you.... but you can carry the bow much better with an MC.



Agreed...now if you could only have dead level trim..... like a Mercruiser.

By the way..do you still advise boat builders to put additional rocker in their hulls when using Arnesons?...

I admit I'm no Arneson drive (or Kaama for that matter) fan...although I really admire Howard as a person..and loved his Pool Sweep concept....( I spent literally dozens of races in the air identifying Arneson drives from a distance by their clearly visible bow wander). ( I also can spot boats with drives spinning in from the same height and distance ....... but that's another story). For these reasons I have always believed that, if you can't afford 6 drives, than fixed surface drives with rudders make sense. No wander...level prop angle of attack..and no erector set on the back of the boat.

Good luck with your sales effort on this thread.

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Old 10-25-2006, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: Would you put Arneson Surface Drives on a new boat?

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really?... How about at 2" ....or even...or 5"?

With all due respect....that spin is horse feathers. I will admit that you'll never back flip an Arneson boat....... unless the added rocker bites you.... but you can carry the bow much better with an MC.
With all due respect, you need to update your memory banks.

We do not need a different bottom than what is currently being used by the Mercury drives or others. Fountain, Hustler Skater and others have proved this.

Kind of independent lavatory testing you see.


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Agreed...now if you could only have dead level trim..... like a Mercruiser.
Actually, they are virtually the same. And to quote one of the great ones, Gilbreath says the boats are faster with negative trim so I really don't see where you are coming from other than a negative perspective.

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By the way..do you still advise boat builders to put additional rocker in their hulls when using Arnesons?...
NO.

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I admit I'm no Arneson drive (or Kaama for that matter) fan...although I really admire Howard as a person..and loved his Pool Sweep concept....( I spent literally dozens of races in the air identifying Arneson drives from a distance by their clearly visible bow wander).
More senseless drool. You made these same comments about the Honker Cut boat and I ran that boat and I can tell you the bow was never WANDERING... Someone needs to get some real world experience and stop being an arm chair quarterback!

Back in those days when you flew over the boats and watched, did you happen to notice who won the Championship in 83í84í? Wasnít it like 14 races in a row they won? Oh yea, it was an Arneson boat, I mention this as your memory during the years you were supposedly in your prime you seem to have forgotten this.

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( I also can spot boats with drives spinning in from the same height and distance ....... but that's another story). For these reasons I have always believed that, if you can't afford 6 drives, than fixed surface drives with rudders make sense. No wander...level prop angle of attack..and no erector set on the back of the boat.
Again, logic disconnect. How is fixing an Arneson straight going to magically change your argument?

The same drive, the same trim level the same boat. Add a rudder and all things change? Please. Get some experience and get back to us. The rudder does not enable the drive to be trimmed higher than without one. A rudder might be good for a race boat but I can tell you for a fact (EXPERIENCE) that they are not for a pleasure boater.

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Good luck with your sales effort on this thread.

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Thanks but if your biases hurt your feelings than that is an issue I take no issue with. I did not start this thread, just informing people the truth when ignorance is spread like in the post you have made.

Change is inevitable. There was a time when some boats were less suited for an Arneson Surface Drive as I pointed out. But then again someone posted positive results on of all things an OLD CIGARETTE.

If you havenít noticed, itís 2006í soon to be 2007í. A 35í Fountain with 525ís runs 103 and Arneson Surface Drives do work.

Seems that everyone that has them agrees. Should you want to change to the dark side we will make room for you.
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Rik,
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I know, it is a waste of finger energy to comment but some times you have to call a spade a spade.

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Actually, your in-line 8's are 6" shorter than a SSM#6 and 50% less weight.

I meant to say shorter by 2 1/2" vs the #6 boat which was given to me over the phone, just shows they never mearsured it. I'll gladly take your 6" shorter mearsurement, see ya at the Miami show. Thanks Jeff.
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Arneson.

They also work on old boats.

Kris Vogt
Did you ever drive that Cig with the TRS's? If so what is the difference?
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