Lets rebuild a Cigarette.
 

Considering a Cigarette project boat again :rolleyes: that needs just about everything and need help on prices. I will be paying for all labor on top of everything else. please fill in the prices. some stuff i already have firm estimates on. i know i would be money ahead to buy one that has already been done but this is as close as im ever going to get to a new boat done the way "I" want it.

Motors (has junk 454's now) rebuilt or buy low hour used w/ decent aftermarket complete exhaust ( 500 hp minimum) + labor =

new skins, foam, pirreli flooring throughout + labor = 8000.

new or near new drives, gimbles, ect. + labor =

new gauges, throttles, wiring harness, cables, ets. + labor =

new mild paint = 10000.

props =

full hydraulic stearing + labor =

used 12k capacity aluminum trailer =

pirelli flooring + labor= 750.

what am i leaving out?

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Is the dash still black? Figure $7-$8K to shoot it white.

Why not vinyl graphics over paint?

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Throw in an extra 5k for who knows there is alot that comes up when doing one. Just alot of miscellaneous. I know you have been after a bullet for awhile. I have 2 one doesn't have power in it right now if you want to talk let me know.

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what size boat are we talking

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Since I did the same thing a few years ago, here are some of my numbers (assuming you are willing to use some used parts where it makes sense). I tried to forget most of it since I went almost double over my planned budget.

Motors - rebuild what you have with more HP = 20K or buy newly rebuilt = 30K - 35K
All of the accessories - oil coolers, sea strainers, motor mounts, hatch rams, flame arrestors, all brackets, hoses, rigging labor, etc. 5K- 8K

new or near new drives, gimbles, ect. + labor = 10K - 12K

new gauges, throttles, wiring harness, cables, ets. + labor = 3K - 4K

props - 1500

full hydraulic stearing + labor = 4K - 5K

used 12k capacity aluminum trailer = 3K - 5K (good used is hard to find - I picked up a new triple axle Tow Master alum 10,000 lbs for around 4K)

what am i leaving out? - fiberglass work for dings and gouges, steering wheel, stereo, trim pumps, trim tabs, batteries, battery switches, fuel tank sending units, new fuel hoses, new battery cables, etc. - I am sure I left a bunch out, but my guess would be plan on about 10K for things you won't know until you need them. :D

Add these to the numbers you already have and you are probably close to $65K - 75K then add in the cost of the starting project hull.

The only way I can see doing something like this in a cost effective way is to use a lot of good quality used parts (some screaming good deals), and do most (about 90%) of the labor yourself.

That's just my experience doing this once. Not sure I would ever do it again. Good luck with the project.

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thanks waterbum. thats the kind of info i was looking for. i could probably find most of parts i need right here on oso (new and used). some of your estimates seam high to me but then again i havent been down this road before.

painting the dash is included in the price to paint the boat.

vinyl over paint is something im considering.

boat is a cig bullet.

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I know you Steve. My advice would be to scrap this idea and buy something that is already done. In the end, you will be way ahead. By the time you get done with this, you will have around a 100k in a boat that is worth 65k. For the money you will have invested, there are a lot of great boats out there for sale.

I would say that waterbum's estimates are pretty close.

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Don't do it..... You will be as they say UNDER THE BUS. Buy one finished !

LS

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Steve, We've talked before. I've decided to put my 31 AO back in tip-top shape before I sell. It would stay with that Bullet at 1/2 throttle, use much less fuel and give you a much smoother ride at 70 mph and up.

A high freeboard, shorter V-bottom like the Bullet at LOTO really gets thrown around alot with all the quartering waves and the waves bouncing off the cliffs. It's a little scary and potentially dangerous at higher speeds.


Ask others who have ridden in both Vee's and cats there in the "Washing Machine". It's definitely cat water.


The labor and unknowns will kill you, unless you can do most of the labor yourself. I speak from experience.


Oh, and for the price....It will be less than what your gonna spend on the refurb........

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Unless you're capable of putting in a lot of the sweat equity, it's a money pit.

It's a buyers market right now. Be patient and you'll find a nice Cigarette that's ready to enjoy.

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TRICK MARINE at Lake of the Ozarks . How cool is that?

We can't wait.......

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By the time your done...$100K, Buy the new 39 UL. :D

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Unless your doing alot of the work yourself its not worth it after all is said and done. If you decide to upgrade into something bigger and better several years down the road it will be a financial disaster. Lakeluvr has a mint Bullet and located in LOTO. I would consider that boat if I were you.

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I have been down this road.....Unless you do the labor yourself and love doing it...You will lose your arse..BIG time....

Buy a nice clean one and use it...slowly, over time rebuild it when you find deals. You will still be "upside-down" but, you get to enjoy the boat.

I have never totaled all the bills from my Bullet and....I aint gonna !!!! :D

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I have never totaled all the bills from my Bullet and....I aint gonna !!!!
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Yeah me too on both of them.

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Heres a sweet candidate
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1983-...QQcmdZViewItem

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I rerigged my Motion last year. Big mistake. Things get out of hand very quickly. Before starting the project I thought I had a good estimate of what I would be spending. Wasn't even close. Your constantly faced with the decision, I can pay this much for used or for a little more, I can get new. Then, for a little more I can get this brand new really cool one instead of the same one everyone else has. Believe me, you will pull your hair out. Thank goodness Fred from Trick helped me out the whole way with great prices or I wouldn't have been able to eat! There are a lot of deals out there, spend your time and money on looking for one! I'll NEVER do it again! If you do, Talk to Fred from Trick, he will steer you in the right direction.

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Don't forget the ending to your quest as well. A nice boat for someone else to buy at 1/2 your investment because the buyer will have to pay cash since an older boat is unfinanceable.

Stecz Cafe Racer and Pool Whore's Pink Flamingo TG are the best two deals out there on used Cigarettes.

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Its got to be a labor of love.. I realy enjoy working on boats when I can find the time. Boats are a depreciating asset no matter how you work it.. Yes a good used boat will minimize your losses, thats if you can find one that you dont want to immediatly start altering to your specs.

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well labor sof love are never justified
There have been 4-5 of us on the board who have or had bullets and done alot of work to them I agree wiyth the recommendations buy a running used one and spend a few years doing all you want to it
I picked up a couple used 500 hps for 6000 complete one had a dropped valve cost about 15k but they are great running 565 hp motors now got 5k for my old 4544/365s helped in cost
sweat equity is best way to save money I did dash and guages myself also ddid hydraulic steering myself
if you remove and replace interior yours4elf that also is a savings
good luck there a few of us who can give you alot of good advice if you need it and decide on this project

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real sound advice everyone. thanks.

ive been looking for the right bullet at the right price going on 4 years now. some other "deal" always came up and i put the bullet on the back burner. done well flipping boats every 2 years or so but at this point i just want to find a cig to keep for many years.

i just thought if i REALLY watch my budget and buy good used parts when they come up i might not end up under the bus to bad......

Rebuilding a 1978 35' Mistress right now.Unless you can do all the labor yourself it gets very expensive!I have shopped OSO and EBAY and found great deals that have kept my cost down along with my free labor!If you can get good deals on parts and build the motors,trannys and drives yourself you can save a bundle!I am going to have about 20,000 in parts when done.Have to love to work on these babies!

Money pit:cool-smiley-027: