Lets rebuild a Cigarette.
10-28-2006, 11:28 AM
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Lets rebuild a Cigarette.
Considering a Cigarette project boat again 
that needs just about everything and need help on prices. I will be paying for all labor on top of everything else. please fill in the prices. some stuff i already have firm estimates on. i know i would be money ahead to buy one that has already been done but this is as close as im ever going to get to a new boat done the way "I" want it.
Motors (has junk 454's now) rebuilt or buy low hour used w/ decent aftermarket complete exhaust ( 500 hp minimum) + labor =
new skins, foam, pirreli flooring throughout + labor = 8000.
new or near new drives, gimbles, ect. + labor =
new gauges, throttles, wiring harness, cables, ets. + labor =
new mild paint = 10000.
props =
full hydraulic stearing + labor =
used 12k capacity aluminum trailer =
pirelli flooring + labor= 750.
what am i leaving out?
that needs just about everything and need help on prices. I will be paying for all labor on top of everything else. please fill in the prices. some stuff i already have firm estimates on. i know i would be money ahead to buy one that has already been done but this is as close as im ever going to get to a new boat done the way "I" want it.Motors (has junk 454's now) rebuilt or buy low hour used w/ decent aftermarket complete exhaust ( 500 hp minimum) + labor =
new skins, foam, pirreli flooring throughout + labor = 8000.
new or near new drives, gimbles, ect. + labor =
new gauges, throttles, wiring harness, cables, ets. + labor =
new mild paint = 10000.
props =
full hydraulic stearing + labor =
used 12k capacity aluminum trailer =
pirelli flooring + labor= 750.
what am i leaving out?
10-28-2006, 11:39 AM
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Re: Lets rebuild a Cigarette.
Throw in an extra 5k for who knows there is alot that comes up when doing one. Just alot of miscellaneous. I know you have been after a bullet for awhile. I have 2 one doesn't have power in it right now if you want to talk let me know.
10-28-2006, 12:29 PM
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Re: Lets rebuild a Cigarette.
Since I did the same thing a few years ago, here are some of my numbers (assuming you are willing to use some used parts where it makes sense). I tried to forget most of it since I went almost double over my planned budget.
Motors - rebuild what you have with more HP = 20K or buy newly rebuilt = 30K - 35K
All of the accessories - oil coolers, sea strainers, motor mounts, hatch rams, flame arrestors, all brackets, hoses, rigging labor, etc. 5K- 8K
new or near new drives, gimbles, ect. + labor = 10K - 12K
new gauges, throttles, wiring harness, cables, ets. + labor = 3K - 4K
props - 1500
full hydraulic stearing + labor = 4K - 5K
used 12k capacity aluminum trailer = 3K - 5K (good used is hard to find - I picked up a new triple axle Tow Master alum 10,000 lbs for around 4K)
what am i leaving out? - fiberglass work for dings and gouges, steering wheel, stereo, trim pumps, trim tabs, batteries, battery switches, fuel tank sending units, new fuel hoses, new battery cables, etc. - I am sure I left a bunch out, but my guess would be plan on about 10K for things you won't know until you need them.
Add these to the numbers you already have and you are probably close to $65K - 75K then add in the cost of the starting project hull.
The only way I can see doing something like this in a cost effective way is to use a lot of good quality used parts (some screaming good deals), and do most (about 90%) of the labor yourself.
That's just my experience doing this once. Not sure I would ever do it again. Good luck with the project.
Motors - rebuild what you have with more HP = 20K or buy newly rebuilt = 30K - 35K
All of the accessories - oil coolers, sea strainers, motor mounts, hatch rams, flame arrestors, all brackets, hoses, rigging labor, etc. 5K- 8K
new or near new drives, gimbles, ect. + labor = 10K - 12K
new gauges, throttles, wiring harness, cables, ets. + labor = 3K - 4K
props - 1500
full hydraulic stearing + labor = 4K - 5K
used 12k capacity aluminum trailer = 3K - 5K (good used is hard to find - I picked up a new triple axle Tow Master alum 10,000 lbs for around 4K)
what am i leaving out? - fiberglass work for dings and gouges, steering wheel, stereo, trim pumps, trim tabs, batteries, battery switches, fuel tank sending units, new fuel hoses, new battery cables, etc. - I am sure I left a bunch out, but my guess would be plan on about 10K for things you won't know until you need them.
Add these to the numbers you already have and you are probably close to $65K - 75K then add in the cost of the starting project hull.
The only way I can see doing something like this in a cost effective way is to use a lot of good quality used parts (some screaming good deals), and do most (about 90%) of the labor yourself.
That's just my experience doing this once. Not sure I would ever do it again. Good luck with the project.
10-28-2006, 02:26 PM
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Re: Lets rebuild a Cigarette.
Originally Posted by waterbum
Since I did the same thing a few years ago, here are some of my numbers (assuming you are willing to use some used parts where it makes sense). I tried to forget most of it since I went almost double over my planned budget.
Motors - rebuild what you have with more HP = 20K or buy newly rebuilt = 30K - 35K
All of the accessories - oil coolers, sea strainers, motor mounts, hatch rams, flame arrestors, all brackets, hoses, rigging labor, etc. 5K- 8K
new or near new drives, gimbles, ect. + labor = 10K - 12K
new gauges, throttles, wiring harness, cables, ets. + labor = 3K - 4K
props - 1500
full hydraulic stearing + labor = 4K - 5K
used 12k capacity aluminum trailer = 3K - 5K (good used is hard to find - I picked up a new triple axle Tow Master alum 10,000 lbs for around 4K)
what am i leaving out? - fiberglass work for dings and gouges, steering wheel, stereo, trim pumps, trim tabs, batteries, battery switches, fuel tank sending units, new fuel hoses, new battery cables, etc. - I am sure I left a bunch out, but my guess would be plan on about 10K for things you won't know until you need them.
Add these to the numbers you already have and you are probably close to $65K - 75K then add in the cost of the starting project hull.
The only way I can see doing something like this in a cost effective way is to use a lot of good quality used parts (some screaming good deals), and do most (about 90%) of the labor yourself.
That's just my experience doing this once. Not sure I would ever do it again. Good luck with the project.
Motors - rebuild what you have with more HP = 20K or buy newly rebuilt = 30K - 35K
All of the accessories - oil coolers, sea strainers, motor mounts, hatch rams, flame arrestors, all brackets, hoses, rigging labor, etc. 5K- 8K
new or near new drives, gimbles, ect. + labor = 10K - 12K
new gauges, throttles, wiring harness, cables, ets. + labor = 3K - 4K
props - 1500
full hydraulic stearing + labor = 4K - 5K
used 12k capacity aluminum trailer = 3K - 5K (good used is hard to find - I picked up a new triple axle Tow Master alum 10,000 lbs for around 4K)
what am i leaving out? - fiberglass work for dings and gouges, steering wheel, stereo, trim pumps, trim tabs, batteries, battery switches, fuel tank sending units, new fuel hoses, new battery cables, etc. - I am sure I left a bunch out, but my guess would be plan on about 10K for things you won't know until you need them.
Add these to the numbers you already have and you are probably close to $65K - 75K then add in the cost of the starting project hull.
The only way I can see doing something like this in a cost effective way is to use a lot of good quality used parts (some screaming good deals), and do most (about 90%) of the labor yourself.
That's just my experience doing this once. Not sure I would ever do it again. Good luck with the project.
painting the dash is included in the price to paint the boat.
vinyl over paint is something im considering.
boat is a cig bullet.
10-28-2006, 03:09 PM
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I know you Steve. My advice would be to scrap this idea and buy something that is already done. In the end, you will be way ahead. By the time you get done with this, you will have around a 100k in a boat that is worth 65k. For the money you will have invested, there are a lot of great boats out there for sale.
I would say that waterbum's estimates are pretty close.
I would say that waterbum's estimates are pretty close.
10-28-2006, 06:07 PM
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Steve, We've talked before. I've decided to put my 31 AO back in tip-top shape before I sell. It would stay with that Bullet at 1/2 throttle, use much less fuel and give you a much smoother ride at 70 mph and up.
A high freeboard, shorter V-bottom like the Bullet at LOTO really gets thrown around alot with all the quartering waves and the waves bouncing off the cliffs. It's a little scary and potentially dangerous at higher speeds.
Ask others who have ridden in both Vee's and cats there in the "Washing Machine". It's definitely cat water.
The labor and unknowns will kill you, unless you can do most of the labor yourself. I speak from experience.
Oh, and for the price....It will be less than what your gonna spend on the refurb........
A high freeboard, shorter V-bottom like the Bullet at LOTO really gets thrown around alot with all the quartering waves and the waves bouncing off the cliffs. It's a little scary and potentially dangerous at higher speeds.
Ask others who have ridden in both Vee's and cats there in the "Washing Machine". It's definitely cat water.
The labor and unknowns will kill you, unless you can do most of the labor yourself. I speak from experience.
Oh, and for the price....It will be less than what your gonna spend on the refurb........
10-28-2006, 07:22 PM
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Unless you're capable of putting in a lot of the sweat equity, it's a money pit.
It's a buyers market right now. Be patient and you'll find a nice Cigarette that's ready to enjoy.
It's a buyers market right now. Be patient and you'll find a nice Cigarette that's ready to enjoy.
