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Hot Boat 11-26-2006 08:38 PM

Why mount tabs horizontal
 
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I notice a few race boats at Key West run there tabs horizontal. what is the reason behind this. I going to be reinstalling my tabs next week and want to know what would be better.

mcollinstn 11-26-2006 09:10 PM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 
you ever snowski?
how'd you learn to stop?

didn't you learn to snowplow with the skis tucked in towards each other?

Let's consider an extreme..
What happens when you mount the tabs VERTICAL and put them "down"?
You snowplow, right?

So if you go from vertical (fully snowplowing)
to horizontal (no snowplowing), then you can see that the more you stray from horizontal, the more snowplow effect you will have when you tab below neutral.

When tabs are mounted at a matching angle to the deadrise, and you run them neutral, then there is no snowplow, there is just additional "hull length". This is useful. But when you have to run them below neutral, you start snowplowing.

There are arguments both ways. I guess the real answer depends on how much tab you need to run at racing speeds.

US1 Fountain 11-26-2006 09:16 PM

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Also heard of the snowplow effect described above.

epeek 11-26-2006 09:20 PM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 

Originally Posted by mcollinstn
you ever snowski?
how'd you learn to stop?

didn't you learn to snowplow with the skis tucked in towards each other?

Let's consider an extreme..
What happens when you mount the tabs VERTICAL and put them "down"?
You snowplow, right?

So if you go from vertical (fully snowplowing)
to horizontal (no snowplowing), then you can see that the more you stray from horizontal, the more snowplow effect you will have when you tab below neutral.

When tabs are mounted at a matching angle to the deadrise, and you run them neutral, then there is no snowplow, there is just additional "hull length". This is useful. But when you have to run them below neutral, you start snowplowing.

There are arguments both ways. I guess the real answer depends on how much tab you need to run at racing speeds.

HEY!! Your back! I look foward to your insight. Always
top notch. :)
Paul (hot boat). It's because its a Fountain....always on
the cutting edge. :drink:

berns29scarab 11-26-2006 09:26 PM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 
if beek boats do it, it must be right no ?













ONLY KIDDING !!

Have also gotten the snowplowing explanation makes sense to me but who am i ?

Hot Boat 11-26-2006 09:37 PM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 
I have a 28' single engine. I only use the tabs when its rough water or during a poker run. When I do use them I dont need much tab, either flat with the hull or slightly lower, just enough to give the hull some extra length to keep the bow from lifting.

mcollinstn from what you said it sound that I would be best leaving them where they are , and using them more as a hull extension.

berns29scarab 11-26-2006 09:40 PM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 

Originally Posted by Hot Boat
I have a 28' single engine. I only use the tabs when its rough water or during a poker run. When I do use them I dont need much tab, either flat with the hull or slightly lower, just enough to give the hull some extra length to keep the bow from lifting.

mcollinstn from what you said it sound that I would be best leaving them where they are , and using them more as a hull extension.

if they are horizontal yes...

AIR TIME 11-27-2006 01:01 AM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 
JEB BROWN was doing that back in the early 90's on his race boats :cool:

F1-00 Racing 11-27-2006 02:34 AM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 
do the water flow calcs b4 you decide to mount them. I have them horizontal on my fountain now, but I tried that on the Venom earler this year and I found them to be useless(tabs in down position caught 2 3/4" of a 30" tab) in that position so I went back to matching the bottom. Boat design detirmines alot when making this decision

CanDo 11-27-2006 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by epeek
HEY!! Your back! I look foward to your insight. Always
top notch. :)
Paul (hot boat). It's because its a Fountain....always on
the cutting edge. :drink:

Installing the tabs horizontal is a very old idea. Far from cutting edge. CanDo

FeverMike 11-27-2006 04:03 PM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 

Originally Posted by CanDo
Installing the tabs horizontal is a very old idea. Far from cutting edge. CanDo

Very true. They were mounting tabs horizontal 12-15 years ago in A class.

open87 11-27-2006 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by F1-00 Racing
do the water flow calcs b4 you decide to mount them. I have them horizontal on my fountain now, but I tried that on the Venom earler this year and I found them to be useless(tabs in down position caught 2 3/4" of a 30" tab) in that position so I went back to matching the bottom. Boat design detirmines alot when making this decision


step or straight bottom?..

Ed 11-28-2006 07:45 AM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 

Originally Posted by FeverMike
Very true. They were mounting tabs horizontal 12-15 years ago in A class.

Most all of the offshore vee-bottom rigging, hull design ideas, etc., come from OPC racing of the past. The horizintal tab idea came to light in the mid-sixties & was common then. Reggie raced quite a bit in OPC in his youth before working with Mercury as a test boat driver, then a tunnel boat race team driver for Mercury Hi-Performance Division. Old ideas become new again. Ed

BROWNIE 11-28-2006 08:11 AM

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Depends on what you use the tabs for. If they are for longitudenal (fore and aft) trim, either way is OK. If they are for roll axis control (side to side), then following the bottom contour is desirable. Visualize a couple of extra fat asses on one side, and the boat leaning 15 or so degrees. A horizontally mounted tab would be a great deal less effective because it is at the same angle.

Panther 11-28-2006 12:12 PM

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I remember seeing Velocity do this on their smaller boats way before Fountain ever did... Or at least on their pleasure boats. :drink:

Anyway, I heard that it helps with high speed stability having them horizontal?

mr_velocity 11-28-2006 12:16 PM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 

Originally Posted by Panther
I remember seeing Velocity do this on their smaller boats way before Fountain ever did... Or at least on their pleasure boats. :drink:

Anyway, I heard that it helps with high speed stability having them horizontal?

Even on some of the big boats, my 41 has them mounted this way.

Panther 11-28-2006 12:19 PM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 

Originally Posted by mr_velocity
Even on some of the big boats, my 41 has them mounted this way.

What year is yours again? 97' - 98'???? :cool:

I didn't see them on the Reggies until a few years ago. :eek:

mr_velocity 11-28-2006 05:26 PM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 

Originally Posted by Panther
What year is yours again? 97' - 98'???? :cool:

I didn't see them on the Reggies until a few years ago. :eek:

96 just like yours

Panther 11-28-2006 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mr_velocity
96 just like yours

Mine is a 95'.. :rolleyes: :drink:

Tantrum 11-28-2006 06:15 PM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 
I think you should install them upside down....that way you can make sure they are way out of the water :drink:

yesrej 11-28-2006 06:20 PM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 

Originally Posted by Tantrum
I think you should install them upside down....that way you can make sure they are way out of the water :drink:

your always thinking chris.

Dono 11-28-2006 07:59 PM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 
you could just mount one verticle in the center like the sail boats do it. :evilb:

F1-00 Racing 11-29-2006 01:15 AM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 

Originally Posted by open72
step or straight bottom?..

The Fountain is a single step 29 Fever F1 and the Venom was a twin step 32 ZXR F1 Both have notched transoms.

Jassman 11-29-2006 06:37 AM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 
When you run the tabs straight across, it gives the idea of possibly adding some length to the bottom with out scrubbing as much speed off when tabs need to be used in various conditions. Is this what the Arneson rocker plates do? Thanks Jeff

Laken 11-29-2006 09:09 AM

Re: Why mount tabs horizontal
 

Originally Posted by Tantrum
I think you should install them upside down....that way you can make sure they are way out of the water :drink:


Tantrum, which way should we install them on the NEW SBRT underwater secret weapon :rolleyes: :drink:

MikeyFIN 06-23-2007 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by Jassman (Post 1947684)
When you run the tabs straight across, it gives the idea of possibly adding some length to the bottom with out scrubbing as much speed off when tabs need to be used in various conditions. Is this what the Arneson rocker plates do? Thanks Jeff

Imo basically the same thing but I think Tabs horizontal work better.
Discussed this with some offshore 2 liter racers recently and came to this conclusion.
the thought behind this was that the tabs and the running surface of the boat makes a triangle which is the most effective way of stabilizing.
Feel free to correct/inform me.

FeverMike 06-23-2007 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by CanDo (Post 1946041)
Installing the tabs horizontal is a very old idea. Far from cutting edge. CanDo

Correct...I saw boats back in the '90s doing this and I'm sure they were doing this before that time too. I saw Bob Bull's F1 Velocity back in 1997-98 with tabs mounted like this...also Miklos and Gary from the F1 Oatey boat played around with tabs a lot from inner to outer mountings as well.


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