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The numbers everyone is posting is about what I have heard. 120 mph in a non step hull seems to be about the limit. We are currently testing a 38 kv scarab with about 2200hp total. 120 should be no problem I am trying to decide how far past that mark to shoot for. The motors are turned way down and could easily be pumped up. Not sure anyone knows what the hull will react like at those speeds? Just doing some research before we set our speed goal.

Paul

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What did Ohio Steel run back in it's day, that was a non-stepped 42' - wasn't it over 120?

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Is it the one that is all white and had 700ci donavans in it?? I loved that boat!!

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1993 Larry Smith 43 Scarab

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What Sppeds Did Nigel Hook Get Out Of The 37h With 1500 Or 2000hp?

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I was but the donavans were not reliable so we replaced them with 1471 blown 632's from boost power. It runs great with the new power acceleration is unreal rolled up to WOT running 60 mph and picked up over 30mph in 5 seconds. I have to get some more time on the motors before we run for top speed but it is going to fast.

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fountain you know that :drink:

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yeah thats true :p :D my 24 with the changes I made over the summer is a hand full :eek: fighting the chine walk at 83 , THE ONE THING I NEVER GOT ON WAS THE INSIDE HDY STEERING UP TO THE WHEEL LONG STORY :rolleyes: ,But in the spring the wake should be at a minimum with the full steering, but that sutphen reacts nice and easy like a caddy on a dirt road :D

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THE CHINE WALK I MENT NOT THE WAKE, :rolleyes: TO MANY BEERS TOO NIGHT. :rolleyes:

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Sometimes the distance between theory and reality is farther than you think.


Don't all straight v bottom's ride good in dead calm water in a straight line? NK

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NO :evilb:

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no the question was what is the fastest nonstepped V bottom.and that is a Velocity hands down.

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I've seen a video of an old fountain(38-42) with turbos and no steps - it chine walked- in calm water.

Strake placement does make a difference. Often, the bottom-most strakes terminate before the transom. But sometimes they don't.

"Top speed runs" are good for marketing purposes, just like racing is, but often they don't reflect the consumers intended use.

Personally, I like the longer races like Miami Bimini Miami, and races with rough ocean water.

Can you elaborate on the "theory v. reality" comment?

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Please share you experience with Sutphen. You owned the 39 Stagger didnt you??

Thanks

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I had the opportunity to own one of the fastest 39 Sutphens ever and it was not a bargain in any kind of rough water. I was kidding about the all boats riding the same comment cause it was no bargain in calm water either. Just my opinion but I do get to have one since I did own one. NK

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Sorry cosmic12, but the question asked was the fastest non step hull. And again I will say that Velocity will be ranked at the top.

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Your saying the sutphen wasn't that good? I've seen video of one racing and it looked a little loose.....but that could be too much trim too.

I'm suprised. But I won't disagree with you (I've never been in one).

Now tell us how much better the apache is................................................ .and that will start a whole new beginning to this thread :evilb:

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A.T. are fast, but correct, not as fast as Velocity, with the same power. They are also not nearly as light, they are built better, as well as ride better in the ruff stuff. FYI...the 33 which just came out and the 37 which has been out are the only 2 models with steps in A.T.'s line up. Both can be made without the step, and their are a few 37's without steps and 500 efi's doing around 80-82mph. Jeff

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I will not dispute the speed of any Velocity, they are fast. But I read the question as deep V and to me that meens no pad no step ect ect. I was refering to the older 25,28,32 and early 37 A.T.s that were not step bottoms. As Jass said they are much heavier and bigger boats than most anything you can compare them to. They also never claimed to be the fastest or tried to be. I was just pointing out the over looked fact that they are very fast for being the wave crushing monsters that they are. :cool:

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Vtec, I have a 39 Sutphen with side by side 5's on boxes. Boat will run 102. I have owned them for over 20 yrs. There are no handling issues what so ever. They will get into a chine on smoother water due to the dead rise but you can work with it like most. They probably have a rough water ride second to only to Apache/Cigs and other v-s weighing more. They are not a wave crusher. They do very well running on top with their 26 degree bottom. Anyone that says they are not a good riding rough water boat simply hasn't spent much time in one. Ask some of the more experienced folks that raced them or ran against them.

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I believe this is the correct info, in terms of real/official speeds. The Scarab, I believe, was a triple engine 43 and the Fountain would be the twin engined Ohio Steel boat. Both were in the 120+ mph area.

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Spider-Boat's just shy of 120mph...

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Mine was a handful and I spent plenty of time in it in rough water. It ran 104 and had the throttle response of a crotch rocket. It was a light boat and had no chance in big water to stay with an Apache no matter if John Tomlinson was driving. Sorry. In calm water an Apache could never catch it with the lead it would get out of the hole. It took off like a ski boat. Someone said their side by side boat did a little chine walking so you can guess how a full staggered did. You can drive out of anything by slowing down but then it's not the fastest anymore. Speed without a lot of control seems to be non advantageous to the every day boater. All race boats are lose at top speed cause of trim and water conditions. I would think you want a little control for the average boater. My sutphen was not for the faint of heart or the sore of back. NK

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I think this is what bob is talking about!!:D:D:D

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NK in all honesty I have never been in a full stagger like you had but in my set up, I have never been into a chine walk with this particular boat. At 90 I can walk away from the helm, absolutely on rails. Possibly with your drive location you were getting more transom lift than with my side by side? Now with smaller Sutphen's I did get into some chine across smooth water...I don't normally run in that anyway. As you know, it will not run thru 10 footers like the Apaches or old Cigs. And they do not hold any speed records. But I would feel confident that with equal hp, they can run with any non-stepped v bottom of equal length...but not on smooth water :D

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As far as handling goes nothing beats a staggered setup. They fly much better due to the forward CG. I personally prefer the way they turn but some people have commented they feel like you slide more than they were used to. I have only run the boat to 100 and have never experienced chine walk at any speed in any water conditions from dead flat to 13+. I do have to concede that due to the lighter weight of the boat it is definitely not a wave crusher but you can always go over the top especially with how well balanced the boat is. After researching the speeds of other boats I think up to 120 is fairly safe and has definitely been done my concerns are how far past that???? If it were one of you going for a ride how fast would you want to go in an open cockpit?????

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not much over 100, gee the new 32 was the balls at the cape race in 04 it was not 05. felt heavy to me but what do I KNOW :p . WITH CHINE WALK ON ANY BOAT ,ITS LIKE ON A BIKE YOU GET A HIGH SPEED WOBBLE AND EITHER SLOW DOWN OR LEAN TO DRIVE THROUGH IT :eek: :D ,THATS ME ON A BOAT YOU BECOME ONE WITH THE BOAT, IT TOOK ME A WHILE ON MY BAJA 24 NOW DOING 83 WITH OUT THE FULL STEERING HOOKED THIS FALL IT WAS HARD, THEN TRY AND GO DOWN A WINDING RIVER :eek: REAL REAL HARD :eek: . This spring it will be done so I hope my chine days will be over :rolleyes: . sutphens I have been in rode just as nice as the couple OL'S.

Any update on this? Scarab still has the record?