Diesels
#13
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Originally Posted by Jassman
Just trade your boat in on mine, Im planning on doing a 52' Nortech with either twin V-8 900CRM's or most likely the V12 1550 CRM Mann Diesels as my next project.
To anwser your Q's, not exacty sure but motors, drives, trannies and including some profit around 135k. No labor involved and I know other factors will come into play during the rerig process. Merry Christmas. Jeff
To anwser your Q's, not exacty sure but motors, drives, trannies and including some profit around 135k. No labor involved and I know other factors will come into play during the rerig process. Merry Christmas. Jeff
Brian was running a 39 but said he also had a 43 with Yanmars in it . What kind of $ are we looking at ?
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the Seateks are quite popular in european race boats. They are still in business, Buzzi was once involved in the company.
Quite heavy and at more than 800HP not as reliable as you would expect from a diesel.
Look at the Hustlers, they have a big experience with diesel powered boats and now they are building a diesel race boat.
heiko
Quite heavy and at more than 800HP not as reliable as you would expect from a diesel.
Look at the Hustlers, they have a big experience with diesel powered boats and now they are building a diesel race boat.
heiko
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Re: Diesels
Originally Posted by frogger1403
the Seateks are quite popular in european race boats. They are still in business, Buzzi was once involved in the company.
Quite heavy and at more than 800HP not as reliable as you would expect from a diesel.
Look at the Hustlers, they have a big experience with diesel powered boats and now they are building a diesel race boat.
heiko
Quite heavy and at more than 800HP not as reliable as you would expect from a diesel.
Look at the Hustlers, they have a big experience with diesel powered boats and now they are building a diesel race boat.
heiko
Last edited by Jassman; 12-27-2006 at 07:31 AM.
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hustler will display an all new 41 at the show. Two yanmar diesels, huge cabin with big headroom. and the price is better than the nortech's. just me 2cts
heiko
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Re: Diesels
Originally Posted by frogger1403
hustler will display an all new 41 at the show. Two yanmar diesels, huge cabin with big headroom. and the price is better than the nortech's. just me 2cts
heiko
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#18
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Why does no one look at the 44mag?
Its beamy enough to take on big diesels to cruise in the 40s-50, and you could squeeze in a turbine for when you want some WOT!
This could probably be done for about 2-3 mil.
Its beamy enough to take on big diesels to cruise in the 40s-50, and you could squeeze in a turbine for when you want some WOT!
This could probably be done for about 2-3 mil.
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Jeff, Seatek are still in business but my feeling is that they are not doing extremely well. They were doing much better a few years ago when diesels were allowed and competitive in racing and also when they had a huge market with boats which were intended for... well, let's just say fast transport of stuff. Since those two markets dried out, it's been more difficult for Seatek.
But the engine itself is good and the 850hp. version is reliable enough. It's not as reliable as a big CAT diesel that will turn 2300 rpm but way more reliable than a gas BB with similar power, let's not even talk about torque. The thing is, you need a good mechanic who knows the engine inside out and who has a good ear which means a lot of experience with the engine, including experience running it. And with the distribution network the way it is, I am not sure you would have anyone like that in the U.S.
I know Joe from Hustler has been wanting to do a 49 Widebody with triple Seateks for long time but is unsure of product support. It would be a rocket for such a large boat (50' x 10+' and approx. 25 000 lbs) and I'm guessing roughly 100 mph but the idea behind diesels is to reduce downtime and if you can't get assistance or parts within 24 hours anywhere in the country, you're not really reaching that objective.
What I can tell you is that Hustler's Widebody can accommodate two big diesels such as the ones you are looking at. I know that CAT C18 diesels fit and MAN 1100s probably do as well. Speed would probably be between 70 and 75 mph.
But for the moment, nothing beats a Yanmar and that is partly why a quad Yanmar installation is such a great idea. In terms of cost and maintenance, it is not really more expensive than two big diesels, it is better in terms of consumption and much better in terms of performance. A properly set-up quand Yanmar Widebody with a lighter layup will do 85 mph, something that this hull will never do with big CATs or MANs.
But the engine itself is good and the 850hp. version is reliable enough. It's not as reliable as a big CAT diesel that will turn 2300 rpm but way more reliable than a gas BB with similar power, let's not even talk about torque. The thing is, you need a good mechanic who knows the engine inside out and who has a good ear which means a lot of experience with the engine, including experience running it. And with the distribution network the way it is, I am not sure you would have anyone like that in the U.S.
I know Joe from Hustler has been wanting to do a 49 Widebody with triple Seateks for long time but is unsure of product support. It would be a rocket for such a large boat (50' x 10+' and approx. 25 000 lbs) and I'm guessing roughly 100 mph but the idea behind diesels is to reduce downtime and if you can't get assistance or parts within 24 hours anywhere in the country, you're not really reaching that objective.
What I can tell you is that Hustler's Widebody can accommodate two big diesels such as the ones you are looking at. I know that CAT C18 diesels fit and MAN 1100s probably do as well. Speed would probably be between 70 and 75 mph.
But for the moment, nothing beats a Yanmar and that is partly why a quad Yanmar installation is such a great idea. In terms of cost and maintenance, it is not really more expensive than two big diesels, it is better in terms of consumption and much better in terms of performance. A properly set-up quand Yanmar Widebody with a lighter layup will do 85 mph, something that this hull will never do with big CATs or MANs.
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BTW, Seatek have been working on that V12 for at least 5 or 6 years now. Every time I speak to them at autumn boat shows, they say next year but that the prototype is already on the dyno. As I said, it's been on the dyno for 5 or 6 years now.
Fabio Buzzi started Seatek with few other people and designed the first engine, the design which is still essentially the same as the straight-6 block they use today. But lately, it seems that even Fabio has given up on them and has used more Yanmars, Isotta Fraschinis and CATs.
Also, stay away from twin-turbo versions which look tempting and can make 1200+hp. for around 1900lbs. This is a race engine and you all know what that means.
Fabio Buzzi started Seatek with few other people and designed the first engine, the design which is still essentially the same as the straight-6 block they use today. But lately, it seems that even Fabio has given up on them and has used more Yanmars, Isotta Fraschinis and CATs.
Also, stay away from twin-turbo versions which look tempting and can make 1200+hp. for around 1900lbs. This is a race engine and you all know what that means.