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AvidBoater 01-31-2007 02:06 PM
Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Does anyone have any information on this Apache? Engines, drives, and top speed? This boat was incedible on the circuit last year.

FeverMike 01-31-2007 02:50 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
I know they were running Cheif engines and the sound of this boat was amazing! I believe they had the boat proped for the bracket they were racing in but it is capable of higher speeds. Overall it is an awesome boat and the team looked to be having a blast last year.

thedonz 01-31-2007 02:58 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
go to Predator.com its a kool site

fubar260 01-31-2007 03:09 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
boy it DID sound. that is one sweet boat.

Nykamp 01-31-2007 03:21 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
It's an awsome boat with a really good crew.Checkout www.predator41.com

damdonzi 01-31-2007 04:03 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
I cannot believe the 17 minute video of Spirit of Apache on the site. I mean, it is just awe inspiring.

Chris Sunkin 01-31-2007 06:30 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by damdonzi (Post 2011408)
I cannot believe the 17 minute video of Spirit of Apache on the site. I mean, it is just awe inspiring.
Neat boat but the owner was sort of clueless.

Just some of what he was saying...

Boat weighs 25,000 lbs
$17,000 swim platform
Ventilated crankshafts

I kind of got the feeling he was making it up as he went.

I was half expecting hime to say "...these go to eleven"

Buca 01-31-2007 06:59 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
He doesn't make up anything about that boat. Seen it and the detail and the prices are right. You should try to have something custom done and see what it cost!!!!

Chris Sunkin 01-31-2007 07:13 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by Buca (Post 2011584)
He doesn't make up anything about that boat. Seen it and the detail and the prices are right. You should try to have something custom done and see what it cost!!!!

25K Lbs?

and, what are ventilated crankshafts?

I forgot the one about the deck hardware being heat treated.

Chris Sunkin 01-31-2007 08:44 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 2011693)
Dude, why are you such a tool??A ventilated crank means exactly that, they are running the positive crankcase ventilation out through the hull, so the PSI's don't pressurize the blocks. I have no doubt of the weight with fuel, knowing what people that know Mark McManus know he has no problem building a heavy boat. I would tend to think that the pullout bolsters and riding with an additional set would add a couple hundred right off the bat. The fact that there are spare props for 3 motors, complete snap on tool boxes.etc etc etc...I have seen you say some really stupid things on here, but now you are telling the us that the dude that wrote the check has no clue...you're frigging unbelievable...

McManus quotes the boat at 15,700 with a full cabin. My guess is the builder knows. Probably not as much as you, though.

FeverMike 01-31-2007 09:31 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by damdonzi (Post 2011408)
I cannot believe the 17 minute video of Spirit of Apache on the site. I mean, it is just awe inspiring.
I'm with ya on that one! The 47 Spirit of Apache is one well laid out detailed high performance boat. I liked the rmovable hand hold and how the cockpit can be reconfiguired. Also the detailed storage in the front of the bow is a sweet touch.

FeverMike 01-31-2007 09:32 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Elias keeps referring to his Drag Racing career in the video. Does anyone know what he did in that profession?

WildThing 01-31-2007 11:04 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
The Spirit of Apache is one bad a$$ boat!
All the other videos are sweet too!
Makes you realize how tuff it is
when your race these bad boys.

JERSEY DEVIL 02-01-2007 06:46 AM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by FeverMike (Post 2011337)
I know they were running Cheif engines and the sound of this boat was amazing! I believe they had the boat proped for the bracket they were racing in but it is capable of higher speeds. Overall it is an awesome boat and the team looked to be having a blast last year.
sounds great it is the y pipe exhaust that make that nice sound

underpressure 02-01-2007 01:06 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Weights were done on a truck scale with and without trailer. Do some checking on a mustang called category 5 and 6. I've seen the bills and was watching the whole process!

The 47 Apache can vary huge on weights. His and Paleface are two of the heaviest just look at them sitting in the water. Same goes for the weights on the 41 Apache boats.

All the Cigarette staggered 38 90mph boats were supposed to weigh around 9,500, yet mine weighed 12,458 on a scale. Back then it all depended on what they built it for.

Take one look at the boat up close and you might have a different opinion.

Chris Sunkin 02-01-2007 01:23 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by underpressure (Post 2012332)
Weights were done on a truck scale with and without trailer. Do some checking on a mustang called category 5 and 6. I've seen the bills and was watching the whole process!

The 47 Apache can vary huge on weights. His and Paleface are two of the heaviest just look at them sitting in the water. Same goes for the weights on the 41 Apache boats.

All the Cigarette staggered 38 90mph boats were supposed to weigh around 9,500, yet mine weighed 12,458 on a scale. Back then it all depended on what they built it for.

Take one look at the boat up close and you might have a different opinion.
My old 45 Cary weighed 19K and my 46 Searay weighs just under 25K with 3/4 load of fuel and all the "stuff" on board. That should give you some relative benchmarks on boat weight.

Spirit is a 2006 McManus boat, not one of the "oldies".

THEJOKER 02-01-2007 01:25 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
That boat is incredible , very well thought out options. I can see it weighing 23,000 lbs easily!

offshoredrillin 02-01-2007 03:32 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2012361)
Spirit is a 2006 McManus boat, not one of the "oldies".
no, wrong again, Spirit is running brave redone.... He did so much to it and changed so much he Mr Mcmanus gave it a 06 HIN, so the price tag would reflect an 06 not whatever year running brave was.

Comanche3Six 02-01-2007 03:36 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 2012489)
no, wrong again, Spirit is running brave redone.... He did so much to it and changed so much he Mr Mcmanus gave it a 06 HIN, so the price tag would reflect an 06 not whatever year running brave was.
It has been rehulled, so therefore a new hull number

Chris Sunkin 02-01-2007 03:40 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 2012489)
no, wrong again, Spirit is running brave redone.... He did so much to it and changed so much he Mr Mcmanus gave it a 06 HIN, so the price tag would reflect an 06 not whatever year running brave was.
Didn't know that. Since the owner stated it was a new, '06 McManus boat. He even went out of his way to say how different it was from the boats built 15 years ago- with all the new technology. Sounds unethical at the very least- wouldn't that also be illegal?

Chris Sunkin 02-01-2007 04:01 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 2012493)
It has been rehulled, so therefore a new hull number
So is this the one that was dropped and shattered the bottom?

Comanche3Six 02-01-2007 04:25 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2012531)
So is this the one that was dropped and shattered the bottom?
No, this is the one that had so many new custom ideas going into it that it was better to build a brand new hull and start with a clean sheet of paper.

Chris Sunkin 02-01-2007 04:37 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 2012548)
No, this is the one that had so many new custom ideas going into it that it was better to build a brand new hull and start with a clean sheet of paper.
So what did they keep from the old boat?

Comanche3Six 02-01-2007 04:43 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2012564)
So what did they keep from the old boat?
The bimini top

Comanche3Six 02-01-2007 04:44 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Time for a pic

Nauti Kitty 02-01-2007 05:47 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2011704)
McManus quotes the boat at 15,700 with a full cabin. My guess is the builder knows. Probably not as much as you, though.

Not a single 47 apache ever weighed 15,700 lbs. Kemeosabe was very light at 17,500. NK

Chris Sunkin 02-01-2007 06:25 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by Nauti Kitty (Post 2012641)
Not a single 47 apache ever weighed 15,700 lbs. Kemeosabe was very light at 17,500. NK
I agree that none of the old ones did. The 15,700 comes from the builder on what a new one would weigh.

Bad Ass TA WS6 02-01-2007 07:46 PM
Re: Apache Predator P-2 Raceboat
 
Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2011546)
Neat boat but the owner was sort of clueless.

Just some of what he was saying...

Boat weighs 25,000 lbs
$17,000 swim platform
Ventilated crankshafts

I kind of got the feeling he was making it up as he went.

I was half expecting hime to say "...these go to eleven"

Unsure of what the boat weighs. But with all the running hardware, custom one off items, it's probably very close on the trailer. He pulls it, so I'm sure he would know. Wasn't uncommon for the old school 47s to be anywhere from 19-22k pounds on the trailer...

Ever run a custom CNC program on anything? That started as a solid chunk of aluminum, and was machined down. It all had to be designed, and then hand programmed into the CNC machine(s). Then you've also got that huge bad ass one-off Apache logo.

Have any knowledge of how an internal combustion engine works? A PCV (Positive Crankcase Ventilation) system is needed to expell hydrocarbons, watervapor/condensation, and blow-by. IE, unburnt gases that "blow-by" the rings and into the crankcase.

The heat treated BS he spoke about, pertains to powdercoating itself. Powdercoating involves baking items in an oven, for a set amount of time, at certain temperature(s). Finalyzing the powdercoat with a finish normally as bright, and stronger than regular paint.

:rolleyes:


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