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Lofty 02-27-2007 11:07 AM

Nice Pair
 
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Here's a nice new pair of small blocks for a 38 Cig KV we're rigging. These mills sound snotty idling on the bench, can't wait to get this puppy splashed.

Lofty 02-27-2007 11:09 AM

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Fresh paint. A little dated but appropriate for the hull year.

baja27 02-27-2007 11:41 AM

It looks pretty cool, I wouldn't change it.

boss252 02-27-2007 11:47 AM

What kind of numbers are those small block producing?

jtmiller02 02-27-2007 12:57 PM

love the paint...got that classic look

Iggy 02-27-2007 01:06 PM


What kind of numbers are those small block producing?
I'd like know too.
A pair of SBC's in a 38' Cig?.....sounds under powered to me.

Scarab3DMC 02-27-2007 01:12 PM

Iggy,I agree..ya need that big block torque !!:drink: :cool:

TexomaPowerboater 02-27-2007 01:18 PM

I always wondered if you could put small blocks in a 35+ ft boat and get atleast 70mph. Is it possible without blowers?

Lofty 02-27-2007 03:21 PM

This boat ran low 80's with small blocks, as it was originally rigged. I haven't seen the pulls but the owner is claiming 700hp. It's a half stagger, Bravos' on Box's. 3 man bolster and no cabin.

greg bakker 02-27-2007 04:31 PM

that is cool as $hit we need more info on the performance!who did the motors? there must be tons of room , we need picks and lots of them!!!

Lofty 02-27-2007 04:44 PM

I misspoke earlier, she's a 35 not a 38.

The motors where built by Tim Morgan here in CA. Hull dry weight is under 3500lbs.

delsol 02-27-2007 05:45 PM

I've never heard of a 35' weighing anywhere that light! That is pretty impressive #'s, --- but have to wonder about reliability with a set -up like that:(
Hats off to people that think outside the box and make it work.

Lofty 02-28-2007 01:08 PM

That's an un-rigged bare hull #.

Strip Poker 388 02-28-2007 01:23 PM

Goodlooking motors. They look top heavy sitting in the truck.

keep us posted how it runs!!

Rob:drink:

Back4More 02-28-2007 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Iggy (Post 2040616)
I'd like know too.
A pair of SBC's in a 38' Cig?.....sounds under powered to me.

Yeah, The term "SBC" was used loosely....they might have some aftermarket blocks with 450+ci.

Chris Sunkin 02-28-2007 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2040628)
I always wondered if you could put small blocks in a 35+ ft boat and get atleast 70mph. Is it possible without blowers?

Depends what you're towing it with ;)

Chris Sunkin 02-28-2007 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Lofty (Post 2041896)
That's an un-rigged bare hull #.

That appears to be a Cafe pleasure hull. 3500# might be shy a bit.

Gizmo 02-28-2007 02:13 PM

If you guys haven't seen the info about Raylar inc, in Ca. They are producing a 450 in all aluminum sbc, that is supposed to be pumping 550hp, 535ft/lbs torque and weighing in at 543lbs, ready to bolt in. Also, they are tuned to run on 89 octane. I talked to them at the Miami boat show. Supposed to be testing in a 28-32' hull in April.
I wonder about the reliability, too.:D

Iggy 02-28-2007 03:14 PM

500-700 hp out of an "SBC" is a lot!!
Power like that is OK for drag racing but to run like that and push a boat.....longevity is not in their vocabulary.

Heard a line in a radio ad that went "Durabilty depends on longevity".
I think that appies in this case too.

Stormrider 02-28-2007 03:26 PM

450ci is not that small...
isn't the 454 a big block?

what determines if its a big or small block?

thisistank 02-28-2007 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2041955)
That appears to be a Cafe pleasure hull. 3500# might be shy a bit.

What makes you think it's a Cafe? The deck is completely different from a Cafe (looks more like a Gun). If it's not a notched transom hull then it "may" be a Cafe hull. There was only 3 notched Cafe's built and they all had the cafe deck. I assume if it's a Cafe hull and has a shortened gun deck and short stagger it was purpose built (for racing) like the purple/black checkered flat deck staggard bullet. In that case I would venture to guess a very light lay up.

Lofty 02-28-2007 05:51 PM

These are 450cid. The hull is not an old pleasure craft. It's an early kevlar layup. One thing I can say is that the first heavy guy to walk on the deck will have a big surprise and a bigger bill. There isn't much to this boat.

Lofty 02-28-2007 05:55 PM

The deck was originally screwed on. She was a purpose boat, spent most of its life with number dots on the deck and hullsides. The deck is now molded in and the fairing is a "mod". It's not a full stagger.

Iggy 03-01-2007 05:27 AM


450ci is not that small...
isn't the 454 a big block?

what determines if its a big or small block?
A 350 engine can be bored and stroked to 454ci and maybe a bit larger. The SBC has limits to how big you can go before the crank and rods start hitting the camshaft. There is a full race block with a raised cam location but it's very pricey.
The difference between a BBC and SBC is the physical size of the engines and most of all the heads. BBC's have the canted valves while SBC's have inline valves. The bigger block allows for more room to bore and stroke it. The bigger block also allows thicker cylinder walls, main bearing webs and many other advantages. The early BBC was a 396ci and look what we have today.
The original BBC (1963???) was called The Mysery Motor. When it first appeard it was built for racing only. The great Smokey Unick still had the first BBC in his warehouse when he passed away along with many on-off parts like overhead cam hemi heads for the BBC and a set of canted valve heads for the SBC.

KAAMA 03-01-2007 07:54 AM

Nice looking boat/engines---have fun!


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