High speed turns
 

I am wondering where the drive and tab locations should be if you were turning in a race type turn around a mark. I have a v hull w/ twin outboards.

Thanks guys

Josh

Not trimmed down or under and power through the turn. You don't want the nose to fall and catch a wave. You want to carry the bow. So,,,slow down before you start the turn, not during.

UUHhh Ron P,,, do ya want to know if it is a Step slider or a deep turning V before ya give that answer ??/:evilb: ,, or maybe your like that Joey guy who could outturn anyone ,, remember???":D :rolleyes:

RHC

ps: I do agree with the slow down

Skeg monster? :D

I don't think there would be a "blanket" answer to this.
Every hull is going to react a little different - or a lot different.
If you're running th Banana in your tag line, I'm sure Charlie could chime in and tell you what kinda shorts you should be wearing depending on different conditions and how your trying to run the boat

Thats cause you are crazy. And your wheel man trusts you. Ha HA Ha:D :D

Just don't do it! Especially if medical personell and a bunch of helicopters aren't flying above. More accidents are caused by the "rookie powerslide" than all other accidents put together!

If it's not broken don't fix it. :evilb: :evilb:

Trying to find that controlled slide is no easy task.:cool:

I have to agree with that statement. Don't fix what aint broken. You guys need to build a set of Angelo's monster's for the Chip. P1 is going to be some tough competition. I want to see a V hull mop up all those cats this year....... Then they will say that the boat is too fast for P1.

I dont do nothing but crank the wheel...though, Im one of those medical personel, my boats got no steps..and most importantly..it doesnt go fast enough to get me in trouble..I barely break 45 in a straight line :D

' I can out-turn anyone. That hull handles like its got velcro on the bottom. '

:D :D Sound familiar?? :D :D

A discovery process is used to determine settings through a turn, some hulls , drives or props may lift the hull in different areas when navigating a high speed turn.We found that some hulls like some negative trim in a turn, while some like it nuetral, and some need positive trim to carry.We teach these things in UPC, PBC and we have conducted Race classes for many now here in the states and from the U.K. We just did 2 race classes in the last 3 weeks.Attempting these turns without proper education or set skills may cost you a damaged hull and equiptment, or injury or even death. there has been 2 accidents in the last two weeks involving high speed turns, one of them resulted in a fatality.Do not attempt these things without proper training and dont let everyone tell you how, its not their boat or life.

Listen to Tres he's the MAN!

Another thing when you're out practicing have a safety boat around. We do when we're helping customers dial engines in here on the lake.

Do your self and others in your boat a favor....take Tres's class. He will show you the correct way to negotiate a turn if you are in doubt. Don't risk tossing everyone out of the boat or worse if you are not familular with turning at speed. Dave

Tres knows his stuff.

Heck, I can remember Tres Delivering my Brother-in-Laws first Cigarette to NY in 1984...

Boy I'm feeling Old

No steps helps.

My boat isn't all that fast and has no steps, I just turn the wheel. Haven't had a problem yet, but then again I've never just turned the wheel at WOT.

A step bottom boat is just a different type of boat and needs to be set up for the turn different than a conv. V or Cat. I guarante I can turn a stepped Extreme as fast or faster than you can turn your conv. V Dave

Who helped you do that???:D :D :D

please understand that the scenerio you are talking about is nothing like a high speed turn in racing...in racing, an experienced driver/throttleman is anticipating the turn, speed, the conditions and the surrounding traffic, and acts accordingly based on his training and experience.............in your scenerio, it is an unexpected event....in these conditions you are reacting without having time to prepare for the event (evasive maneuver).....experience is important in knowing the limits and capabilities of your hull so that you can react accordingly as a reflex without oversteer (and thus barrel rolling)...........this is usually the case when going too fast for the conditions and trying to avoid a collision with a suddenly appearing object......bottom line....practice, practice, practice; know your limitations and that of the conditions around you

well, given this sceneio, the last thing your going to do is a 90 degree turn. first, you shouldnt be overdriving the conditions or your knowledge of the area. but as we all know sh!t happens. at this point and at a high rate of speed, you have very limited options. 1 being panic and do noithing (definitly not prefered, but unfortunately routinely choosen) 2. make an abrupt but very small change in direction usually your best choice as the boat should respond to the steering input quickly and without upset as its a small change (bouys etc are not very big so it doesnt take much to miss them) 3. freak out and yank the wheel hard over and pray the law of enertia doesnt trump the physics of friction. remember the front of your boat is pointy, the side is big and flat it would be a lot safer to take a glancing blow than to broadside or barrell roll.
if racing is your actual intention, see tres, in the meantime, take a beach ball, tie a anchor to it and practice, go slow, increase your speed gradually, try different trims, try different conditions..keep doing it untill the boat is an extension of yourself, untill you can make it do what you want without thinking, then practice somemore because sooner or later its not going to react the way its supposed too, thats when the hours of practice matter. lots of practice..you get to change your shorts and it makes great conversation at the bar, not a lot of practice and generic trim settings..what do you want on your tombstone.. I have been racing various things since 88, sooner or later talent runs out and skill is the only thing that will save your butt.

Oh Tres, Your my hero......did you get my bouquet of roses today ???:D :D Call me buddy, hope all is well ( I need some getta way Ocala style). Dave

Mark you should be able to get a feel for the boat and how it handles at speed just driving it and turning during normal operation. When we are talking a race type turn it is more drawn out and covers a larger arch than you would need to avoid an obstacle or debris . Remember that in a quick turn you are better to do as little as possible so as many physical properties as possible remain the same. In other words, quick turn, then regain control and get the boat and yourself settled back down before making any speed, trim, or tab changes. You are getting a great boat and a very good hull, it will take good care of you.

true all that. We dont make quick turns around a turn marker but rather set the boat going into the turn and carry a constant wide arc and speed and also keeping your lane (for the most part). No diving at the pin and whipping around it. Performance boating is pro-active just take your time to learn the handling characteristics of your boat and stay ahead of the situation. There is no "blueprint" for trim and tab settings for turning your boat, as Tres mentioned you will have to go through a discovery process for each boat.

This still does not change the fact that people driving the boats are unaware of the footprint in the water and how that chages in a turn and where weight is shifting to. Too many boats have went upside down already @ 45-50 MPH and the drivers are unaware what caused them to lose control.That is what we teach.Understanding, and control.

I totally agree that there is a lot people don't know about how and why a high performance boat does what it does. And I think you have a great program that everyone, myself included, can benefit from. I just meant that in a close on avoidance situation there really is no time to properly set the boat for a turn and it is better to work on keeping your reactions in check (less correction is better) than trying to reset speed or trim and trying to turn. You would have to agree that if a boat goes over at 45-50 overcorrection is a virtual certainty as the cause.

All joking aside.....Tres does have a VERY imformative school and he does cover setting the boat up for a turn. I recommend this school for every performance boater out there. With any purchase on an Extreme, we supply the school at no cost to the purchaser. I feel that any boat owner can benifit and this is a necessity for ANY performance boat owner. The bottom line is, if you don't need to make a high speed turn, then why do it? Dave

We teach defensive driving manuvers that avoid collision with little or no contact and with calling the boat into a turn.

heres me hanging corners in the 29 non step....the boat likes tons of positive trim to go fast but these turns taken at about 45 to 50 are taken at neutral trim and the tabs all the way up........I practiced in calm water and slowly worked up to it.....doing this in rough conditions is something else again though!.......went the same speed and repeatedly cranked in more steering each time......different trim levels........if I turn with too much positive trim you can feel it start to slide.......turn the opposite way!!.....staighten the boat out!!.......I feel very confident now and didnt have too much problem with it.......although in the 80s I was a nationaly ranked superbike racer and people say I can drive anything very fast with control.....:eek:
And I would reccomend a cruising trim setting that allows enough boat in the water that you can actually make an evaisive manuver around said log or whatever......even if it makes you lose a couple of mph.......

It will be a true cat killer:D P1 ON THE CHIP BABY kick some butt.

Reggie F had a show back in 94 or 96 on how to drive a nonstep boat making turns and high speed runs I taped it off of tnt or speed ch, back then it was good. helped me reg turns, how to watch the water and react to objects in the water. helped me miss a gull at 80mph I almost got it in the face:eek: :p and he was a big sea gull:p . art