Air Conditioning and Freon 12
 

I am moving from my house and have a pretty full 30 pound container of Freon 12. Is this used in the boat air conditioning systems?
I used to fill my Corvette each year. its been sitting for a few years and I am not sure what to do with it.

Thanks
Shawn

Ship it to me ill pay the shipping

I suggest you check your local and state rgs. R12 is illegal in many places now. Venting it, buying it, selling it etc.

R12 is illegal period. Any R12 on the market today is shipped in from outside the country....if you can find it.

Hide that sucker it's worth a small fortune!

It is only illegal to manufacture it. It is quite legal to buy it sell it use it. I just purchased three bottles on ebay.

you have to have a lic. to buy R12 [ at a auto parts store], unlike R22 or 134A which anyone can buy

I am licensed to buy R12. I do automotive R12 systems frequently. We always evacuate (and identify) the system before servicing.

And I'll pay shipping too!:D

and they said copper is the next gold they forgot about freon R12

$100 plus shipping ---pm me

$100 plus shipping ---pm me I am in NJ.

R12 Freon was mainly used in older vehicles and a few marine ac applications. Todays's are R22 and R134a. R12 is an extremely rare commodity.

Not trying to burst any bubbles here but take a look at this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/R-12-...01684521QQrdZ1

Why would anyone want it? It is very simple to convert
an R-12 system to 134 and it works quite well. Just
flush,put on a new drier/accumulator,change the mineral
oil to ester oil,install new fittings & charge with r-134.
Works perfect.

Sometimes. Many CCOT systems require a smaller diameter orifice tube to control evaporater core flooding.

wow,$575 USD for a 30 lb jug, I remember paying 30 bucks Canadian when I started doing a/c. I think 400 a jug was the last I paid when it was still legal in Canada.

Thanks for the input. I knew it was worth a fair bit of money, but surprised its going for $575.
I will weigh it and see what its really worth and make sure the buyer has the proper license.

The cost of labor is so high that it's not worth it on most older vehicles to convert over. Very quick and easy to do a evac/recharge vs. conversion to r134a. Most people that own a car that is still r12 will not spend the extra dough to upgrade. Besides, an r12 system will outperform an r134a system hands down.

I have ac in my 1986 cig. It worked fine in 98 when I bought it. But now it does not. Would I expect my system to be R12? I'm considering selling the boat and wonder should I recharge(r12), refirb (R134) or replace all together. I don't use the ac much, so my concern would be for the next owner . Sugestions appreciated.

Yes,but what happens after your $25 a lb R-12 leaks
out. Recharge it again with more R-12?. At least after
a conversion if you develop a leak it doesn't cost
squat to recharge after a repair. I do tons of A/C
work in my shop & stopped using R-12 4 years ago.
It just wasnt cost effective. Also after measuring many
properly working systems,there is very little difference
between a R-12 system & a R-134 system. 2-3 degrees
at the top end.

Illegal!!!! What the hell are you guys smoking....or are you sniffing tooo much of the newer freons

How much do you want and what do you want to pay for it?

How Much Is R12 Worth , I Have 2 Full Unopened Cans .

I also have 2 or 3 full jugs if anyone is interested
Joe

Today the (wholesale) ranges from $737.00 to $890.00 (Depending on the distributor)

I still have 32 (30#) bottles of it left.....But have not been using it. It's better to change the customer over to the replacements

A friend had a bottle of R-12 in LA and when Katrina came through and blew a tree down on his garage....it burst the bottle. He wanted to buy one from me....but the cost to ship it is ridiculous

Info on R-12 to R-134a Conversion

Michael

Thats about what we paid after our system leaked. Have 10K sq ft of CA storage not a cheap bill to replace it all... :eek:

What is CA storage? The amounts I posted were the price range for a 30# can of R-12. R-12 (sales by the pound at $80.00 to #100.00)is used in refrigeration..I know...I know it is/was in autos...but actually you have refrigeration systems in autos because of the lower evap temps needed to cool. The replacements are numerous, but #1 is R-134a (not quite as effective, but close). R-22 is for air conditioning is A/C systems...yes years ago R-12 was used in A/C systems until they figured it all out...and then you Carrier who made their own combination of R-500 or called Carrine 500, which was a blend of R-22 and R-12
Enough schooling........

Guys, its time to move, the bottle weighs 30 pounds in the box. If interested, please make an offer and have a current license to purchase R12.

Shawn

you need a epa card not a license.

If you selling a private individual...you should not need anything but the CASH

Finally, a voice of reason!

I have converted many R-12 systems to R134A with no ill effects to the system or the performance. The biggest mistake I see being made is overcharging the R134A system. The converted system requires less than the R-12 system. My R134A conversions cool better than the original because I use less freon.

Al Gore wants to buy all the old R-12 to save the ozone layer.

Some of the old VIR systems do not work well with 134@.

Sam

You need a MACS license (a test is involved as well as a card being issued) to purchase, service and distribute R-12. We use it all the time in many of the older private/corporate jets and the systems are still serviced on a regular basis throughout the aviation world. Last 30# I bought was $1230.00
All you can buy if licensed (legally) is recovered and re-manufactured, but it is still available at many HVAC wholesalers. There have been allegations that the French are still making the stuff and selling it on the black market- there have been several busts on the stuff coming into port in the state of FL in disguised containers.

Sam:
What years was this system used?
Ed

I have shipped 30 lb bottles USPS marked as freon and it wasn't that bad to ship. Just ask at the post office how to mark it and send it out. I convert my stuff to 134A works fine I have some R12 left sell it on EBAY the licence was easy to get.

I have a MACS license and wouldn't bother with R-12. I've converted many systems to R134A and never had a problem. It's very cheap and works very well. Maybe with aircraft it wouldn't be worth changing but most cars its not worth purchasing the R-12.

Getting the license was actually a joke- extremely easy test and some paperwork to fill out. I can't even remember now how many years ago it was- maybe 10 or 12? There's hardly any need for it anymore in the automotive world as these older cars are either crushed or converted.
The aircraft industry seems to always be left alone when it comes to chemicals that are deemed hazardous- I guess since it's a relatively small cross-section of transportation in relation to ground travel and it has it's own governing body (the FAA).
Conversions to aircraft have to be done with a Supplemental Type Certificate, and those individuals or companies that do the research and paperwork to develop the kits have to get it approved by the Feds. They also have to accept the liabilities that go with anything stamped 'for aircraft use'.
What costs $39.95 at AutoZone for an older vehicle conversion can cost upwards of $15K to buy the kit and required STC paperwork to convert an aircraft. I inspected one on a Falcon a few months back and I think it was around $14K for the kit plus labor.

The card is a joke not like a master trademan's card, just listen to boring lectures and take the test.

I have one 30# can R-12 sitting in the garage.

$500 and it is yours.

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