Another sterio quesion ??
 

Audiofn , or someone ,WHat is better in a Rockford amp, the punch or the power series? And what is the difference ?

ALso what is with the Kicker Solo Baric speaker ? It's square ! :eek: How does that work ?

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rower series is much higher end than punch, I'm pretty sure the power series is rated rms and the punch series is rated peek

THank you ,LIQUID ASSET , I have been trying to find that info and can't . Thanks !

A friend of mine wants to put a rockford amp in his car .He is torn between the:

power400.4
50W x 4 /and running it at 2 ohms to get 100W x 4 watts or ,

the Punch 600.4
75W x 4 and just run it at 4ohms at 75w x 4.

WHich one do you think he would be happier with ? THanks for the help .

I'll put my 2 cents in as a "someone":

Depends on the components...I'd say da Punch- better power supply.

Is it me...or is every dealer pushing Rockford or Sony? The old..."special price for you- today only" routine from the dealers. Might want to consider JL Audio over Rockford...

Solo Baric subs are square for mounting purposes. That way you can fit a 12" equivalant sub in a box only 10" tall. It's kinda turned into a marketing gimic...someone was trying to outdo Kicker with an "octagon" sub...go figure?

:D

PS- Where's Audiofn? What lines does he carry?

Havasu Hangin ,MY friend said he looked at the JL audio amp and it was about $100 more ! Do you think it is worth it ? I don't have anyexperience with them . THanks

I don't know about either of those amps Audio sells the rockfords though I am sure he will chime in. Forrest

Hey guys sorry been out working and pimpin in the new truck!! Man that thing needs tunes BAD!! Anyhow the difference btwn the punch and the power is simple. The Power has a little more, it usses a better power supply. I stress little more power. The punch has low and high level inputs and the power only has low level inputs but also a low level output. The Punch will take 8ga wire into it while the Power will take 4ga wire for power. The power is the way to go if you want a little more and do not mind the added price, but the punch is ussually more then enough for most. I like the rockfords because they are built like brick **** houses. They seem to take a real beating and keep on running. They also have huge heat sinks so they seem not to shut down as easily as a lot of the competition. They are actually a much smaller margine amp for me then a JL audio. My opinion is you do not buy a Rockford sub, as they have always been a amp manufacturer and you do not buy a JL amp as they have always been a speaker one. :D :D JL actually does make a good amp, it is very clean sounding but not as strong in my opinion as the rockford. There are so many amp manufacturers out there and most of them just plain suck, but there are certainly some good ones as well. Rockford, Orion, PPI, Zapco (if you have a totally unlimited budget is the best), Matts, and some others are all good, you just need to set the budget and the needs and build a system with all the components designed to work together. When you design a system instead of just going out and buying parts you come out with a better end result for less money :D :D

Jon

I have leaned alot over the past few weeks from both Forrest & Jon.

I also looked into the JL Audio amp. Most of the people I spoke to said the JL Audio amp seems to be built well, but has not been out on the market long enough to tell.

I took Jon's advice and just purchased the Rockford (H16005) 600.5 "Power" amp. It was only $50 more than the "Punch". I found it for $ 469.00 at www.speedsound.com and will have it in a couple days.

I also stopped into a few stereo shops locally and talked to the "AudioFreaks", similar to Forrest & Jon and they also said the Rockford is a good choice for the boat. Alot of them liked the Kicker amps too, but thought the Rockford "Power" was the way to go.

Thanks again Forrest & Jon for the audio education, I really apprciate it and look forward to my new tunes !!!!!!

:cool:

Hey Boot-

I should qualify this answer by saying that I do not personally own a JL Audio amp- so consider the source. However, I have friends who use them, and are very happy.

My opinion of Fosgate is simple. For many years, they were "King of the Audio Hill". If you wanted to go big, Rockford was the only answer. However, IMHO, there are others that have caught up to the Rockford brand. They have a great name, but understand it is a brand, just like a boat. Everyone has an opinion.

Suppossedly, RF rolled out some new stuff at CES...

Since I don't install or compete any longer, I hang around some audio forums, to keep up on the scene. IMHO this is one of the best, moderated by Richard Clark, one of the most respected audiophiles around. It is frequented by a mix of competitors, electrical engineers, shop owners, hobbyists, and installers. Not a lot of marketing info, just raw opiions (kinda like here).

One time, when Richard Clark was asked about what he would do different (with today's equipment) on one of his (90's) award winning GN systems, he said "...would definetly use a class D amp for subs and something like the JL amps for mids and highs"...

Other than Audiofn's allegiance to Rockford ;) , I agree with the other options (add Hifonics and MMatts)...did I just say that??? :eek: I have put together some budget systems that sounded incredible...and I had some guys spend serious money on a dud. Like Audiofn said...it needs to work together. No weak links.

Remember, most audio companies will market thier brands to the consumer like anything else- get a much margin as possible. A Bayliner with "Fountain" painted on the side is still a Bayliner.

A $100 difference? IMHO, not worth it...but shop around...you may be able to close the gap...

:D

I have always used Punch amps, currently running 2 punch 250's in the boat and a punch 60 in my car. Never let me down and have never shut off. And yes they are heavy duty. I am sure their are better, but I know Punch is very good. :D

Havasue Hangin You SO FUNNY :D :D

Anyhow I am not slammin the JL Audio stuff, well yes I am ;) ;) Seriously I am sure it is good stuff. Rockford still makes a great amp and they will for a long time. They have amps now that you can bridge together to one speaker, that is two amps, one speaker for som HUGE power. MMATTs I believe and I could be wrong has set the pace for SPL at 180 something SPLS!!! :eek: :eek: Zapco has always been for sound quality and that is what is going in my new truck. However for the 100 watts of Zapco that will be going in there you would have to spend 1800.00 bucks!!! The stuff is not cheap. It does sound SO sweet. I am glad that Havasue hangin emphasized the importance of system design over product cost, I can not stress how important that is!!

Christopher Robins: I am glad you are going to be all set soon and it was a pleasure helping you out. If you have any questions about how to hook any of the stuff up you know how to get me. When you are done with the install call me and I will give you some bass ideas on what is an exceptable level for the X-overs at leaste to start. You will have to tweek from there.

Jon

THanks for all the info guys ! You can always count on the OSO to come through ! :D

Audiofn, thanks for your personal help on my systems . I will hopefuly be ordering some stuff from you soon .

THank you all !

I'm funny how? I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you. I make you laugh. Whadda mean funny? How am I funny? ;)

Yep...you can use one amp as a "slave" amp on a DVC sub...some of those subs in the Extreme Class are getting 3,000 watts each. MMats and thier Juggernaut subs are the big guns- however, those 180db+ cars are pushed into the lanes- not drivable- Lexan, soundproofing, etc. are the emphasis...

What kind of amps are in your vehicles, mr. moneybags?

:D

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Havasure I believe that the cars have to be driven down the lane. I think they made that rule. Unless they changed it back. However I think that a electric motor to get it down the lane is acceptable!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If you ever get a chance to hear a ZAPCO amp do so you will be amazed. Especially the Competition amps.

Jon

The MMATS are very nice amps. Along wih the other amps that were mentioned. The JL amp in Chris's case did not fit with what his system would require. It was 100 dollars more and had less power than the rockford. Jon you could not take it you had to tear the truck apart. I have always told my customers that the set up is one of the most important parts of a install. If you don't know how to set up the system all the best parts will sound terrible. Using quality equipment is the other. I like the equipment I use and I like a lot of equipment that I can not buy for my customers. In the electronics business there are alegiances formed just like the boats. I use equipment that I know the manufacturer will stand behind. Example: If you have a amp go bad I take it back and I expect the manufacturer to replace it over the counter not repair it for me. This gives me the ability to take care of the customer and not tell him that we are sending his amp off for repair it will be back someday.

FWK ,THat is a good repair policy .In my line of work ,if I know a part went bad I just replace it out of my stock and then send the broken one back on my time, not the customers . ;)

I have a few brand new in sealed box Orion XTR 800.4 amps for sale. $372.50 each. I have been selling Orion for over 10 years and am positive anyone would be pleased. I have an overstock on Nakamichi as well as many other quality american made amps.

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