Its a give and take situation. But i'd rather get their later than sooner with back problems. And i'll let you know about the width.

No Trailer Queens
 

Yes, its fun doing 100 plus mile trips. What mph do you cruise at ? You could island hop all the way to South America through the Caribbean, the longest leg is about 200 miles. I charted it out. It would be fun to get 3 or 4 boats in group and go see a couple of Islands.

Should I be aware of stress cracks where the bracket is bolted to the transom on the Concepts ? Do they crack ? Are the notorious for anything ? Can they take a beating ?

I cruise at 57-58 mph @ 3600 rpms or about 50-51 @ 3400.

I would rather have the heaveir wider boat, In SC to reach the Gulf Stream you may need to run 50+ miles offshore.
It is important to me that a CC be set up for fishing and playing.

So if you sell your boat the warranty doesnt transfer?

Engine set up
 

Full staggered, short staggered or no staggered ?


It's pink.............and juicy

Duct tape..............and zip ties

No stagger. The staggered 36 Apache's don't really have a usable cockpit.

Ok so it has 10 year warranty for resale.

The 32' with trailer and all is 11' wide.

More Room
 

Yes, thats why I ask. Even with a short stagger, she is really tight in cockpit. Staggered setup is'nt necessary for having fun and going fast.

Damn
 

Thats a bit to wide. I would have to remodel the side of the house for an extra ft. I don't want to spend the money to store it somewhere (not until it goes inside in winter) or drive to hook up and take the boat out. A bigger, wider boat will have to wait until we retire to Florida.

Built for speed
 

Awesome boat. How is Yamaha for warranty, service and getting parts ?

Good boats
 

I also looked into Solid. Seems like good product. They make a few sizes, 40-26 ft. The larger models are beamy.

Based on my research and everyones experience with them, I think Concept makes a good narrow beam hull, but there are issues that have to be looked after for long term. Just like with any manufacturer. They are'nt bad enough to turn me off from buying one. Next concern is engine warranty, service and parts availability. I know Merc stands behind there product and you can get parts just about anywhere. I am not really sure about Yamaha or Suzuki. What do you guys know or think ?

I spoke to a few riggers locally (Miami) and they all say the same thing Mercury is a great motor BUT they tend to blow the lower unit. Then Yamaha is the main motor in the Keys, everyone (mostly fisherman) there says if you want to get from point a to point b fast Mercury....if you want to get back go with Yamaha. I dont know what their offering now but warranty wise Yamaha had 4-5 years and Suzuki 6 years. I have the new Suzuki 300's cause of two reasons 6 year warranty and you can use regular gas, Mercury 300's need premium or they run at 250-270h.p.

Japs
 

A lot of people don't know that Yamaha and Suzuki have been building motors for about 80 years. Their accomplishments in motorsports surpass Mercury. Suzuki makes 200 hp (only 1300 cc) sportbikes out of the box that can take a beating on year after year and keep going (personal experience). I bet their 300 hp outboard is bullet proof as well. They could make a 400 hp and still be light for a 4 stroke and bullet proof.
Not too many people know Yamaha builds motors for Ford. They also were involved in formula 1 (car) racing for several years. They had engines with 3 liter and 2.5 liter with 700 hp. They would turn about 18000 rpm. Valve spring don't work at that rpm. They have some trick set up that is pneumatically operated. I think Powerboat mag is biased towards Merc. There are better products out there. Personally I think the Suzuki is the hot setup. 50lbs lighter than the Verado, 300 hp on 87 or 89 oct, carb 3 star emissions and reliable. What's not to like?? Watch, there's going to be a horsepower war and you know who is going to win.

My experience with Yamaha over the last 4 years has been FANTASTIC .... not just with the 3 HPDI 300's on the Concept , but also the last 3 snowmobiles I've had ..... when there is a problem (which have been VERY rare) Yamaha has made it go away ... PERIOD ! Not to mention ... my Yammy 300's run on any gas you throw at them .... that is HUGE for me these days , as we have no high test fuel within 70 miles anymore around here . I keep trying to switch to Mercs , but my conscience wont let me .

Go with what works
 

My friends and I have had the same experience with thier product. I also think you should'nt have to run hi test with a stock everyday outboard. Looks like Yamaha and Suzuki think the same thing. I think Yamaha the first with high pres inj, not sure. They also are very conscious of emissions. All Yamaha and Suzuki outboards are 3 star carb rated, yes ?

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I love the 36 Concept as well. Twin 250 Verados I saw 60.1 on the GPS.

The HPDI Yammies don't run on 6 cyl's at idle either... you can't feel the difference. They also have an oxegen sensor in one of the cylinders.

Someone mentioned Yamaha and Ford.. I remember when Yamaha built the Ford SHO motor.

Are there any issues with Verado lower units ? Any long term problems with the whole package ?

Explain
 

Just out of curiosity, what's the story behind more duct tape and less nail polish ? Apache because your woman likes it rough ??

Dont know ,,, I have 40hours on the 300 Verado and have had no problems ,, have ran them hard a few times but most of it around 4000 with the random wide open for about 2-5 min's I have used 89oct to get home from long days and have not really seen a differance ,, when I get back on the trailor I put 93 back in and life goes on ,,,,, I like them a lot !!!

RHC

Sorry love my Mercs, but here's a video for you from Yamaha testing triple 350's offshore!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ohW6zFqpdI

And another, can barely hear them. Is that fun??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8hKT...elated&search=

actually I and my passengers really like the quiet running Verado's. I've had my 275's for over 2 years now and have been owning outboard powered boats since 2003 and I really do not miss all the noise and hassle with I/O's

Why don't you step up and get the biggest, cleanest well taken car of, most fuel efficient, fastest, best lay out and well built boating in this size range?

My 2006 Fountain 38TE with triple 275 Verado's with full dual 12" Raymarine E120 units, Radar, Digital Sonar, Aux Fuel tank and a 6'4" stand up head, big v-berth for the wife and kids with every other option available is for sale!

1.3-1.6mpg cruising @ 43-50+mph! 73mph on stock props.

It would be great to have a boat like yours. Just dont have the room.

Thanks for the video, it 's really cool. I like the Verado's as well. What turns me off a little is that the 275 and 300 need premium to get full hp. At this day and age we should also think about emissions. They are only 2 star CARB rated except for the 250, it is 3 star rated. Yamaha and Suzuki are little more refined.

Does Reggie pay you advertising royalties? :eek: :grinser010: :drink:

Just kiddin...the 38 is a really nice boat (bitting lip)... :ernaehrung004:

Just in case you didnt know (like me) the Verado and the Optimax XS get 30 gal. per hour the Suzuki does 25 per hour. I took my boat to get its first service at Seahunter...great boat by the way carbon/kevlar hull...and their mechanic mentioned it when i picked it up.

I was'nt aware of that. Is it the 250 Opti and Verado or 300 Opti and Verado ? Am I understanding correctly, Opti's and Verado's burn 30 gal/hr and 25 for Suzy? Yamaha and Suzuki have put a lot of R and D into combustion chamber shape, compression, bore/stroke, cam profile and valve timing etc..... They don't need to be supercharged.

Ha Ha I wish!!!! I was actually poking a little fun myself becuase I've heard the sales pitch so many times.:drink:

You can have the boat just bring some money!:drink:

My wife and I are driving to Key West from Miami the third week in Oct. When we drive back we will have a day to kill, I am going to check out the Concept factory. Any suggestions on a nice place to stay for a night in South Beach area ?

If you choose to stay close to the Concept Factory, may I suggest the Marriott Courtyard in Miami Lakes at 15700 NW 77th Ct.Tele# 1-305-556-6665 your ten minutes away.

You should also drop by the Planataion Boat Mart boat sales in Tavernier, you will drive right past it.

They usually have a large selection of Jupiter and Deep Impact,. IMO a much better built boat .

Mark,
I guess it all depends on what you expect out of the boat and it's constuction. And yes Concept do cost much less , what type of amenities are you talking about?