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Old 01-29-2002, 10:00 AM
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Placing a canopy on a F1 or F2 boat will reck the class. It's not about safety what so ever. Right now APBA is selling the F2 class as the 'NASCAR' of the water. American's, now matter how slight, like to believe that they too own the same thing as the racers do. You see it in ALL facets of racing here in the states. Most racers see through a racers eyes when it comes to what they think the class should be...They toss out demographics and pay to race. I know all of us racers and or enthusiast love to see that big power and no rule classes....but that does not pay the bills!I've been a pro at at few things now....and being a pro to me is having someone else pay the bills. So, my decisions are always going to be based off of promoting what i'm doing and then SELLING it. Some may say I race for me! Which I do....But, for me I wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the fans. Race in another class if you don't like the class. Don't change the class that's bringing offshore racing more into the mainstream and into more households with increased exposure!!!
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Old 01-29-2002, 11:39 AM
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I've been reading all of this with keen interest. I must admit, I agree with most of it. Especially what MrOffshore said about not having just one answer.
Both MrOffshore and Chuck made a great point about speed. While it's true that most teams don't want to go any slower, I think most teams would agree that we would rather slow down as opposed to running a canopy. Everybody screams about how much we have to weigh, but a heavier boat can be a stronger boat.
While a bit off topic, Chuck also makes a great point about the GM Vortec 496 as opposed to the Merc 500HP. I'm all for better factory support from the engine manufacturer. Look at what GM is doing for the new SVL classes. Then consider that most of us racers pay the same price that the average buyer does for our 500HP, we advertise the chit out of Mercurys product, but we get no warranty. As for speed, consider that the 496 is about 60 crankshaft horse less than the Merc HP and you have a slower boat. Let's say we lose 5mph. I'm thinking 5mph can make quite a difference here.
I do agree with Mark in that a new SVL boat is not a whole lot more money than a comperable new Factory 1 boat, but it is more money. On the other hand, as Randy stated, the resale value sucks. And, for those of us that are on the bottom of the barrel when it comes to budget, At least I can take my Factory 1 boat to the lake and tan fat, test, have some fun. Tough to do in a canopy boat unless you have a crew with you and spotters around you to watch all the other lake traffic.
Now look at the post by Audacity. Great points here. Ask yourself this, Factory class racing has become possibly the fan favorite of all the classes, (yes, even including Supercat). Why? because their boat looks just like that Formula or Fountain on the race course. I know owners of both of these boat models and others that have expressed that exact sentiment.
I realize there is "nothin stock about a stock car", but they look like the same car that sits in their driveway. They know that underneath it's a whole different animal, but look at how many Monte Carlos have #3 and #24 in the rear glass, or how many Ford Taurus have a tag frame that says, "My other vehicle is the big brown truck".
Like Audacity said,
"Don't change the class that's bringing offshore racing more into the mainstream and into more households with increased exposure".
I will not disagree that there are safety issues, but there are other alternatives. And after all, This is RACING.

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I think Chuck and Gordo both make great points about the warranty/reliability issues facing racers and their bravo's etc. Mercury definitely needs to stand behind teh racers more completely. Adding some higher minimum weight regulations accompanied by smaller motors sure could not hurt anything.
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Maybe just safer cockpits on Factory boats is a good start.Warlock did a real nice insert for there race boats.The only problem is the boat builder needs to tool a new mold for that boat and they are going to want the racer to pay for the whole thing.
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Old 01-29-2002, 07:48 PM
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I don't race F-1, or F-2, but didn't the mandated lowering of the X Dimension slow these boats down some ? I think the racing this past year has been about as tight as you could get.

Short of repower, or canopies (not cost effective) What else would you do to slow these boats down, or make them safer ?
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I brought this topic up at work. It seems that everyone has a different opinion. People like seeing rough (cast iron bull fight) style racing. It is like gladiators. The fun stops when someone gets hurt. People cheer when the guy or girl gets out. I don't want to see any more waisted lives. If they don't want canopy's, how about restraints to keep the people from flying out. Sit down seat belts no roof. Allow some sort of compromise. F1 cars don't have roofs.

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Good point.
I was looking at the one type of wreck that always seems to happen, the spin out or stuff. The one I saw in San F. a while ago was tragic because they were ejected and woody's hit the same hole and rang there bell. I saw that as the desiding factor for me. I think if there were some changes it might help.
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I still think being straped in with full time air in a open cockpit would be safer.If you make the seat tighter and the sides higher you get to a point you wont come out anyway.
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Why not add the seat belt? I just got a model A and it is weird hanging onto just a steering wheel. I am getting belts tomorrow.
Just a thought.
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I said it before- VELCRO driving shorts to hold you in but can come out. They worked on my satin sheets- I don't get ejected out or fly out of the saddle anymore.
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