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Stormrider 09-26-2007 02:14 PM

well, i wouldn't say i know how to drive a boat better than most, but i sure don't like breakin my stuff... when i had it. :(

chuckbeecher 09-26-2007 05:10 PM

I'm curious about the drive.
Why not a pulse drive.
I'm sure Harry has done it to single engine plane v bottoms.
I'm sure at least one 31' Infinity had a pulse drive and it had a DDC hull but can't remember if the swim platform transom was a over hang or dropped off as the transom. But similar length.

Jassman 09-26-2007 05:31 PM

The more I look at this, there is no reason this application should not work. It is a 28 bottom, which is basically a shortened 32, no step, no pad, straight bottom. If the prop gaurd were taken off getting on plane would work better, at least it was on the Hustler. This should be a 85-90 mph boat. Keep us informed on the project. Good Luck Jeff

spectras only 09-26-2007 05:40 PM

Buddy of mine had a Steve Jones 28' deep V back in 1980 .
Had an Arneson [ bronze housing] drive with single twin
turbo BB 460 Ford in it . Boat ran great other than maneuvreing at idle to park it in his slip . I'd love to have that boat today. Unfortunately it got on fire and burned to the waterline . RIP "Putt-Putt .Wish I took a photo of it before it happened .

Stormrider 09-27-2007 08:01 AM

Hustler ever do any single 26 ASDs?

jz4obs 09-27-2007 10:25 AM

I am not sure of a single but I do know they have done a twin. There was a 86 Hustler that was in Virgina for a period of time. The boat ran 88mph. I believe that it is for sale and is listed on boattrader.com

24skaterVA 09-27-2007 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by jz4obs (Post 2286769)
I am not sure of a single but I do know they have done a twin. There was a 86 Hustler that was in Virgina for a period of time. The boat ran 88mph. I believe that it is for sale and is listed on boattrader.com

I spent quite a bit of time in that boat & it was w/o a doubt one of the funnest boats. The former owner is a member here on OSO (good2go38). That boat had a pair of SBC that were pretty stout.

I see no reason why the single asd on that AT would not work. I would love to be the test dummy I mean pilot !!!

tblrklakemo 09-27-2007 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by chuckbeecher (Post 2285925)
I'm curious about the drive.
Why not a pulse drive.
I'm sure Harry has done it to single engine plane v bottoms.
I'm sure at least one 31' Infinity had a pulse drive and it had a DDC hull but can't remember if the swim platform transom was a over hang or dropped off as the transom. But similar length.



The only problem i see is that pulse drives rely 100% on rudder to turn....singe engine rudder boats are worthless to back up and dont manuver slow speeds very well (they do make a double rudder, single prop pulse but the trim issue remains.) The whole arneson drive turns. The pulse system also raises everything out of the water when you trim it up....the rudder comes up and out of the water=less steering and could be dangerous. At least the arneson skeg can remain in the water when its trimed up and you still have thrust steering. Arneson is a proven, sellable, bad azz system. They make all sorts of skegs, hydrofoils, and props for em to cure most any issue.

Mike J 09-27-2007 02:41 PM

I worked on a 28sh LSSCARAB project boat a few years back,
It has twin canopies and Arnesion drive with Arnesion trim plates built into the hull.
The rigging and the Arnesion drive, trim plates were done
by Paul Abreu up north in Alameda CA.
I have some photos but I can not post them is there someone
who could post then if I emailed them "BUCK183" perhaps
Mike J. [email protected]

Canada Jeff 09-27-2007 02:52 PM

What are Arneson trim plates?

tblrklakemo 09-27-2007 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Canada Jeff (Post 2287085)
What are Arneson trim plates?

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Jassman 09-27-2007 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by Canada Jeff (Post 2287085)
What are Arneson trim plates?


http://www.arneson-industries.com/pa...ucts&id=rocker

new website-good reading

2112 09-27-2007 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 2283764)
Again, no tabs installed because no one is sure what the boat will need, yet. It has not been run yet. It's getting 650HP.

Does that project belong to my old friend Jess Dodd? Very cool, looking forward to results.

How about pictures of the bilge!!

Rik 09-28-2007 01:09 AM

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I forgot you like FORD! :D

Tom A. 09-28-2007 05:12 AM

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George Desmond had an 18' Donzi w/ a stroked small block (600+hp) and an Arneson and that boat rocked! I know it ran well over 100 mph.

TeamSaris 09-28-2007 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Stormrider (Post 2286559)
Hustler ever do any single 26 ASDs?

I know of a twin small block one with them

2112 09-28-2007 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Rik (Post 2287759)
I forgot you like FORD! :D

Yep, we are a rare breed. Too bad so many people think you can't do with a Ford what you can do with a Chev. :rolleyes:

Tell Jess great job! :D:D

Stormrider 09-28-2007 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 2287806)
I know of a twin small block one with them

don't count. looking for single examples.
just curious cuz hustler uses them big time, y not on a 26 single?

Mike J 09-28-2007 03:03 PM

NO those on the web site are not the ones that were built into
the Scarab, They sent a insert to put into the mold on each
side on the bottom, Then the hull was molded complete so
that a pad was made just the right size to insert the trim plate
flush with bottom and even with the transom "Have I lost you
yet", Guess everything worked fairly well they won the first
race at the worlds in Key West that year. Mike J.

floatingphil 01-09-2008 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 2282207)
This boat is/was an experiment; built for an guy who came to us wanting this specific setup. This is not a conversion. Dialing in is going to be a joint exercise. When the trailer was built, the boat had nothing on the transom; so the trailer is just temporary as is. The boat has not been in the water yet, so tab needs are undefined at this point.

It's something new and different for AT.
Who knows what's next?

Any updates on this?

kennyo 01-09-2008 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by 2112 (Post 2288166)
Yep, we are a rare breed. Too bad so many people think you can't do with a Ford what you can do with a Chev. :rolleyes:

Tell Jess great job! :D:D

Ford kicks ass! If i blow up one more*#%$&@# chevy i'm going to a procharged 514 Ford!

TwoKs 01-09-2008 06:38 PM

Years ago I fitted one [asd 6a] into a 24' panther [popoff of a 24 superboat but with a pad. It had a 454 LS6 450HP in it. I liked it alot. I couldn't break it. I had no problems docking,very fuel efficient I used the prop that Howard sent with the drive. No tabs No handeling problems at speed. Here are the problems I did have. I had to move the engine quite a bit for the transmission and u joint coupler.[Now you can use a standoff box to get the engine back] The boat did ride flat and bow steer in calm water If I was running hard and had to backoff fast the boat would turn hard to the right without notice almost to a spinout. After doing that a few times I learned to steer to the left when backing off. I think they work better as a twin setup. Has any body ever setup a single engine twin drive with a split gear box. I would like to see that. Good luck with your project, just be carefull with the steering thing when backing off the stick fast

Sydwayz 01-09-2008 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by Sutphil (Post 2399506)
Any updates on this?

Not really. The boat was just finished at the end of the season, and then winterized. We should have more info in the spring.

AB From Windsor 01-09-2008 07:52 PM

There was a 24 ft. that use to race in the GLSCS at the St. Clair River Classic and ran very well, back around 2001-2004. Boat was called Pressure....?

WMF 01-09-2008 08:04 PM

i like the Delaware registration # on the boat :cool-smiley-011: It is as low as my DEL # , its a Delaware thing, low digit Car License plates and boat registration #'s, Who ownes this boat?

spectras only 01-09-2008 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by TwoKs (Post 2400161)
. Has any body ever setup a single engine twin drive with a split gear box. I would like to see that.




http://www3.telus.net/spectrasonly/M...%20Arneson.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/spectrasonly/A...d%20Magnum.jpg

The engine is worth as much as the rest of the boat

http://www3.telus.net/spectrasonly/A...r%20Magnum.jpg

DMOORE 01-09-2008 08:27 PM

THAT my friend, is just sick! I would love to hear a high speed pass of that.



Darrell.

nocigarette 01-09-2008 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by spectras only (Post 2400341)

I have been watching that boat since it first went up for sale......Gotta love a crazy magnum...... wish i new the guy i would love to see the boat in person....

AB From Windsor 01-10-2008 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by AB From Windsor (Post 2400292)
There was a 24 ft. that use to race in the GLSCS at the St. Clair River Classic and ran very well, back around 2001-2004. Boat was called Pressure....?

The boat was called The Pressure's ON and was a 24 ft. Rumblephish, with a 700 hp Baker Racing Engine with a AC Surface Drive. Owner/Throttles: Tony C. Currier, St. Clair, MI

fantastixvoyage 01-10-2008 12:59 PM

That boat made an apperance in '07, St. Clair i believe. Interesting looking boat....

RumRunner 01-10-2008 02:48 PM

We had a 26' Italian Corsair with a Big Block and single Arneson back in the mid to late 80's out at the marina I worked at. Nice boat, handled great at speed, but docking her in the river was an adventure... Don't know what it had issues, but I'm sure a fair amount in hull, drive, and prop set up has changed in the 20 + years since then.

AB From Windsor 01-10-2008 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by fantastixvoyage (Post 2401152)
That boat made an apperance in '07, St. Clair i believe. Interesting looking boat....

I don't remember " The Pressure's On " being at St. Clair last year but I do remember another boat called Rumblephish with a blower motor being there but have never seen it run. It was purple.

TwoKs 01-12-2008 10:09 AM

Ask and you shall receive. Thanks Spectras Only How does it Handle? Does it do anything strange? It looks cool as hell.

tomcei 04-18-2008 09:02 PM

have ya dunked that thing in the water yet??

Sydwayz 04-18-2008 09:47 PM

We have not talked to the owner yet this season. I'll try to get an update.

Michael1 04-18-2008 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by spectras only (Post 2400341)

Now THAT'S an engine!

Michael

obsessed1 11-02-2008 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 2530847)
We have not talked to the owner yet this season. I'll try to get an update.

Any more updates on this project? I would really like to hear the results.

Hot Knots 11-02-2008 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by 2112 (Post 2288166)
Yep, we are a rare breed. Too bad so many people think you can't do with a Ford what you can do with a Chev. :rolleyes:

Tell Jess great job! :D:D

I had a 540/600 Ford in my boat. Ran great but the IMCO exhaust had to have adapters to work. CMI has Ford headers now.

Hot Knots 11-02-2008 09:30 PM

TwoKs,

IMCO is testing a single engine twin drive setup now, either with their SC or SCX drive.

I didn't know Rik had one, I like it. :ernaehrung004:

Hot Knots 11-02-2008 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by spectras only (Post 2400341)

Wow who built that boat? Awesome motor, is it gas or diesel, I can't tell which. The motor must be forward of the cockpit? Does the scoop limit vision? Those straps are gonna be cut in half when towing, they need something soft underneath them.

Has it been splashed yet? What speed?


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