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Originally Posted by tanner
(Post 2285738)
It does'nt matter... Miami is not part of the U.S. anymore
LOL....Is it part of Cuba or Mexico :rolleyes: |
Too many things not adding up.
Surely the girls that were waiting for these two gentlemen would have heard about this on the news by now and come forward. But I guess not. Why would the hi-jackers kill the four crew-members and leave these two guys alive. Not only alive, but take them along for a few hour ride from the bahamas to where the boat was found 120 miles south of Miami. (they were found only 12 miles from the boat). Does this make sense to anyone? In any event, how tragic. So sad. RIP. :( :( |
Been following this story and hoped for the best but knew it didn't sound too good. I say a public hanging is in order:mad:
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they want to go to cuba,fine put them in gitmo with the islami's.
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How tragic. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the crew. RIP. :(
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:angry-smiley-038:
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Sounds like a tragic story in the making, especially with chidlren involved.
I found this link on another site- a picture of the 'Joe Cool' , the first boat on site to assist the passengers and crew/USCG this spring during the unfortunate sinking of a 65' Ferretti yacht off the coast of Miami- a good samaritan............ https://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/159300/ |
I saw the cousin of the boat owner and his wife on the Today show this am. He said he is using planes searching local islands close to where boat was found , hopping the guys at least dropped them off close enough they could swim for it. Like everyone says the story is pure crap, they need to make the two scumbags talk. Tragic for sure.
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they need to make the two scumbags talk. Tragic for sure. or go to jail where the Butt-pirates will treasure their Booty! For the Family, one cannot imagine the pain they are going thru, maybe there will be a miracle. |
What I could see happening is one of them is going to roll on the other one when the Feds start putting real pressure on them.
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Originally Posted by cbeastwood
(Post 2286839)
What I could see happening is one of them is going to roll on the other one when the Feds start putting real pressure on them.
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Do you have a link to thier statements?
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Originally Posted by PICKLES
(Post 2289727)
Don't know much about this story could it have anything to do with drug deal gone bad?:(
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Read the links, it's a family owned boat.
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Originally Posted by bluellama
(Post 2289814)
Read the links, it's a family owned boat.
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Pickles, as BL said, it is a family owwned boat. The son, a son in law and cousin ran it. The family owns a large company here in town, and does very well for it's self. If you read the links, most of this is discussed..
Sad state of affairs for the family. A simple charter has turned into the loss of family members, and the orphaning of two children. |
Ant NEW news?
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Originally Posted by Semper Fi
(Post 2289962)
Ant NEW news?
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This sucks..
Originally Posted by miamuh fishwrapper
http://www.miamiherald.com/457/story/255450.html Boating cases poses uphill legal battle Authorities face daunting challenges building a potential homicide case against two men arrested after chartering a Miami Beach boat whose crew disappeared at sea. Posted on Sun, Sep. 30, 2007 BY CURTIS MORGAN AND JAY WEAVER [email protected] Amie Gamble yearns for the truth -- no matter how awful -- from the two men she believes know what happened to her two brothers, her sister-in-law and a friend, all of whom are missing and presumed dead after their Miami Beach charter boat was found abandoned in the Atlantic Ocean. ''It's more than crucifying these two,'' said Gamble, voice cracking. ``It's closure for the family. At least we'd know, if these people would just admit it. They're not going anywhere for a long time. Just admit it . . . so the family can move on.'' Federal prosecutors, building a homicide case against the two men, hope for confessions, too. Without one, without the victims' bodies and without compelling physical evidence, authorities face major challenges in bringing possible murder charges against Kirby Archer and Guillermo Zarabozo, who paid $4,000 cash to charter the boat on Sept. 22 for an ill-fated one-way trip to Bimini. ''To the average Joe Public, the case circumstantially appears to be highly suspicious and most people would say they must have done it,'' said Bill Matthewman, a prominent criminal defense lawyer. ``But from the point of view of the court of law, the case doesn't meet the standards of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It is not a slam dunk case.'' Archer, 35, an Arkansas fugitive, and Zarabozo, a 19-year-old security guard from Hialeah, are the sole survivors of the bizarre mystery at sea. They remain in federal custody, facing a bond hearing Tuesday. Their courtappointed attorneys declined comment. It was Monday morning when a Coast Guard helicopter hoisted the pair from an orange life raft 12 miles north of the abandoned 47-foot sportfishing boat, Joe Cool. The previous day, a Coast Guard cutter had discovered it adrift about 11 miles southwest of Cay Sal Bank, Bahamas, and about 40 miles north of Cuba. NO SIGNS A five-day search yielded no signs of the crew. Now feared dead: Capt. Jake Branam, 27; his wife, Kelley Branam, 30; Branam's half-brother Scott Gamble, 35; and first mate Samuel Kairy, 27, all Miami Beach residents. Both suspects have given lengthy statements to authorities, though only sketchy details were in a federal criminal complaint. The most explosive: Zarabozo claims mysterious hijackers stormed the chartered boat, fatally shot the four crew members and then spared his life because he agreed to dump their bodies overboard. But -- for reasons not explained in court documents -- the hijackers allowed him and his buddy to escape with luggage, personal effects and $2,200 cash in a life raft. Prosecutors don't buy Zarabozo's story. They also point out that the crew issued no radio transmissions or Mayday signals about the supposed assault -- standard procedure for any captain -- in an area regularly traveled by many other boats and ships. There were no scratches or marks on the Joe Cool from a boarding vessel. Expensive electronics and gear aboard were left untouched. Among other inconsistencies and suspicious behavior outlined in court documents: • The men booked the boat under a ruse: They claimed to be surveyors taking a trip to rendezvous with girlfriends aboard a yacht in Bimini. No girlfriends have come forward. • Archer, on the lam since January on charges of stealing $92,000 from an Arkansas Wal-Mart and facing allegations of sexually molesting children, had motivation to flee the country. • Zarabozo described the hijacking and then later, when asked to identify the Joe Cool, he baffled investigators by saying he did not recognize the boat and had never been aboard it. That led to the federal charge of making a false statement. Still, proving murder on the high seas appears to be a high hurdle without victims' bodies, weapons or anything tangible linking the two men to the suspected killings. To be sure, it's not unprecedented to win such a case on circumstantial evidence. Two years ago, Michael Koblan of New Jersey was convicted of killing his brother-in-law in a boat off Palm Beach County in 1998 -- though the body was never recovered after being dumped in the Atlantic Ocean. He claimed he was in New Jersey at the time his brother-in-law, Christopher Benedetto of Singer Island, disappeared. But federal prosecutors, who took over the case from state authorities, didn't believe Koblan. They also contended he had a motive: He owed his brother-in-law about $100,000 on a loan for a trucking business. At trial, prosecutors argued that Koblan slipped into Palm Beach County under an alias, lured his brother-in-law on a fishing trip and murdered him on the boat. Koblan then returned to Benedetto's home and strangled his wife, Janette Piro, to silence a witness. Piro -- the sister of Koblan's wife -- was found crammed in her own freezer. To win a conviction, assistant U.S. Attorney John Kastrenakes zeroed in on Koblan's use of a car during his visit. He also had the benefit of a witness who heard the two men's voices before they departed on their fishing trip and who then saw only Koblan return. In the charter boat case, federal investigators have gathered physical evidence from the vessel, which was towed to the Coast Guard station on Miami Beach. FBI agents seized a computer and other items from Zarabozo's Hialeah home, hunting for some clues the pair may have planned their own hijacking. Their probable destination -- Cuba, where Archer once served as a military policeman at the Guantánamo Bay Naval Base. But their mere presence on the boat may not be enough to implicate them in a possible multiple homicide -- even if human blood stains are found aboard the vessel, said veteran defense lawyer Jeanne Baker. ''Without the bodies, I don't know what the DNA evidence on the boat would prove,'' Baker said. ``The DNA tells that a person may be present on a boat, but it doesn't tell secrets. It doesn't have eyes and ears and a memory.'' LIKELY STRATEGY Both Baker and Matthewman said that prosecutors will try to play one suspect against the other. In this case, their likely strategy would be to pressure Zarabozo to turn on the older Archer. But both said prosecutors have to tread carefully. ''The government's typical game plan, if they don't have evidence to charge either, is to try to flip one against the other,'' Matthewman said, speaking hypothetically. ``The problem with that, if the government acts in haste, the actual person who did the killing could flip and say the other guy did it.'' Whatever the legal complexities, people who fish or patrol the waters of the Florida Straits express doubts about the hijack story. ''In my 20 years, I've never heard of any private vessel being involved in an act of armed high-seas piracy off the coast of Florida,'' said Zachary Mann, senior special agent for U.S. Customs and Border Protection in Miami, which monitors the Straits. And myriad boaters and fishing captains have pointed out that the story defies an inescapable fact of the Gulf Stream: It flows north, about 4 mph on average. If hijackers killed the crew as they crossed to Bimini, current would have carried the boat northward. Instead, the abandoned boat, and the survivors in a life raft, wound up nearly 100 miles in the opposite direction -- closer to Cuba. Then, said Dean Panos, a veteran charter captain who runs the Double D out of the Keystone Point Marina in North Miami, there's the question of what hijackers were after. Agents seized a wad of cash from Archer. ''They walked away with $2,200 in their pockets,'' Panos said. ``Don't you think the hijackers would have maybe wanted that?'' For Amie Gamble, Scott Gamble's sister and Jake Branam's half-sister, what she doesn't know haunts her. She wants the grim details -- why, when, where, in what order. She hopes the cold reality would at least start to heal her family's wounds. ``We're all grasping on to false little hopes that they may have clung on to a plank or a piece of plywood or something. I'm physically and emotionally drained. We need something. We don't even have bodies to bury.'' |
Originally Posted by Scott B
(Post 2290056)
This sucks..
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the boat was also found to have run out of fuel?
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Yes. It was found drifting 100sumthing miles SOUTH of Bimini, when the gulf stream flows North.. It was dead in the water with the anchor hanging straight down (too deep to anchor) and out of fuel. The 2 scumbags were found nearby in one of the liferafts, drifting with their luggage.. CG has not reported finding any weapons on them at the time of resuce, my guess is they were hoping to hujack some poor soul who spotted them and came to their rescue, but when the CG came on them they ditched the wepons..
Changes my attitude towards anyone in a liferaft.. From now on a call to the CG, and then maintain a safe distance from them until help arrives.. Sad it has to come to that.. |
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...a_tab01_layout
Leave it to the quick thinking Feds: Feds tag 'survivors' of boating mystery as murder suspects Bullet evidence link 2 to Joe Cool shooting, say prosecutors By Robert Nolin | Sun-Sentinel.com 3:10 PM EDT, October 2, 2007 MIAMI - Federal prosecutors for the first time said Tuesday that two survivors found near an abandoned Miami Beach fishing boat are suspects in the deaths of the vessel's captain and three-member crew. "They are presently under investigation for murder," Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Gilfarb said of Kirby Archer, 35, of Arkansas, and Guillermo Zarabozo, 19, of Hialeah. Gilfarb told U.S. Magistrate Judge William Turnoff that investigators have uncovered evidence connecting Archer and Zarabozo to the Sept. 22 deaths at sea of the captain of the Joe Cool, Jake Branam, 27; his wife, Kelley, 30; his half brother, Scott Gamble, 36; and crewman Samuel Kairy, 27. The four have been missing and presumed dead since Archer and Zarabozo chartered the Joe Cool for a one-way trip to Bimini. The vessel was found two days later 160 miles from its destination and some 30 miles from Cuba. Archer and Zarabozo were rescued in the Joe Cool's life raft about 10 miles from the abandoned vessel. Gilfarb said 9 mm shell casings in the boat's cabin indicate the crew was shot onboard. He said investigators have evidence that Archer and Zarabozo purchased 9 mm ammunition before chartering the Joe Cool, but no gun has been recovered. Akso, one of the two men held in the possible quadruple slaying had blow gun darts and knives when found at sea, federal prosecutors said Tuesday. Zarabozo had blow gun darts and knives on him when authorities found them. Federal investigators are awaiting the results of a DNA test on what appeared to be blood on the boat's stern. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Tsai said the men were found 35 miles from Cuba, a country that doesn't extradite people being sought by the United States, and had with them a ``large amount'' of clothes and personal belongings. ``Your honor, this is a one-way trip out of the country,'' Tsai told the judge. Defense attorneys sought to discredit the charges currently facing their clients, and said no evidence has been presented to link them to the slayings. But based on circumstantial evidence, U.S. Magistrate Judge William Turnoff ruled that they pose a flight risk and are a potential danger to the community. Authorities don't believe Zarabozo's story about the boat being hijacked on its way from Miami to Bimini, Bahamas. Zarabozo told the FBI that unknown pirates boarded the vessel and shot the captain and three crew members one by one, forcing him to throw the bodies into the sea. The FBI affidavit does not quote either man as explaining why the supposed hijackers let them go, or why they had their luggage with them on the life raft. Zarabozo was born in Cuba and Archer, who speaks Spanish, served there as a military police investigator at the U.S. Naval base at Guantanamo Bay. Turnoff ordered Archer and Zarabozo held without bond on charges of unlawful flight to avoid prosecution and lying to federal agents respectively. Archer's charge stems from the January theft of $92,000 from a Wal-Mart where he worked as an assistant manager. Gilfarb said the former military policeman also was facing accusations in Arkansas of child sexual abuse. The Associated Press contributed to this report. |
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[IMG[/IMG]nothing new here ,but a link to a past piracy
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UNREAL! THESE COWARDS NEED TO BE SHOT!:waffen093:
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MIAMI - Federal prosecutors prepared to file murder charges Wednesday against two men for the killings of the captain and three crew members of a charter fishing boat, The Associated Press has learned.
The charges were expected to be filed later in the day against Kirby Logan Archer, 35, and 19-year-old Guillermo Zarabozo, according to two federal law enforcement officials speaking on condition of anonymity because the charging documents had not yet been filed. The charges stem from the disappearance of the four people after Archer and Zarabozo last month chartered the ``Joe Cool'' fishing boat purportedly for a pleasure trip to Bimini, Bahamas. Both could get the death penalty or life in prison if convicted. They are already in custody. Recently published stories on the Joe Cool boating mystery Attorneys for Archer and Zarabozo did not immediately return telephone calls seeking comment. A hearing is scheduled Thursday in federal court for both men. They were found floating in the boat's life raft with no sign of the captain and crew, with Zarabozo initially claiming that a group of pirates had attacked them at sea and fatally shot the crew. Their bodies have never been found, but investigators did recover four bullet shell casings and blood from the boat. The boat started out on course for Bimini on Sept. 22 but then turned sharply south and was found abandoned and out of fuel north of Cuba, officials have said. Investigators say the two might have been attempting to reach Cuba. Zarabozo, of Hialeah, is now being held on charges of lying to a federal agent for claiming he had never been aboard the ``Joe Cool.'' Archer is in custody as a fugitive from Arkansas charged with stealing more than $92,000 from a Wal-Mart where he had been a manager. The four missing people are the boat's captain, Jake Branam, 27; his wife Kelley Branam, 30; his half brother Scott Gamble, 30; and Samuel Kairy, 27. All are from Miami Beach |
The Associated Press
6:03 PM EDT, May 2, 2008 MIAMI - A defendant in the ``Joe Cool'' charter boat slayings in Miami says the other suspect killed the four crew members. In a motion filed Thursday, lawyers for 20-year-old Guillermo Zarabozo say he believed Kirby Logan Archer was taking him to do security work in the Bahamas and had no idea the killings were to take place. They say Zarabozo passed two lie-detector tests while making statements to that effect. Prosecutors say the pair hired the boat for a trip last year and tried to divert it to Cuba, fatally shooting the boat's captain, his wife and two deckhands. They could face the death penalty if convicted of murder and other charges. Both have pleaded not guilty. |
find a tree , and a short piece of rope for them both !!!
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Originally Posted by ROB FREEMAN
(Post 2546277)
find a tree , and a short piece of rope for them both !!!
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Hangings too good for them... I say go biblical on them....Anybody got a pile of rocks?:eek:
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How about red hot razor sharp rocks
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Originally Posted by Dirty Bird
(Post 2546292)
How about red hot razor sharp rocks
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Damn
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 2546122)
They could face the death penalty if convicted of murder and other charges. Both have pleaded not guilty.
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10 Months later and the mystery appears to be solved, as if anyone thought otherwise
Guilty plea expected today in Joe Cool murders By Vanessa Blum | Sun-Sentinel.com 8:47 AM EDT, July 24, 2008 MIAMI - An Arkansas man is scheduled to plead guilty this afternoon to killing four people on board the Joe Cool charter vessel last year. By pleading guilty, Kirby Archer, 36, avoids a possible death sentence. Instead, the former Wal-Mart employee from Strawberry, Ark. will receive a mandatory sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole. Archer's change of plea hearing is scheduled for 12:30 p.m. before U.S. District Judge Paul Huck in Miami federal court. Complete coverage of the Joe Cool boating mystery Archer and Guillermo Zarabozo, 20, of Miami, are charged with the September 2007 murders of Capt. Jake Branam, 27; his wife, Kelley, 30; his half-brother Scott Gamble, 36; and crewman Samuel Kairy, 27. Searchers never found the Miami crew's bodies or a murder weapon. Zarabozo plans to stick with his not guilty plea and go to trial, his lawyer said. Prosecutors have not announced whether they will seek the death penalty. The two defendants paid $4,000 to charter the Joe Cool to Bimini, and the vessel left the Miami Beach Marina on Sept. 22. About halfway to Bimini, the vessel veered sharply off course toward Cuba, according to court records. A family member reported the 47-foot sports fisher missing the following day. Coast Guard officers found the vessel abandoned and in disarray southwest of Anguilla Cay, Bahamas. Zarabozo and Archer were found in a lifeboat about 12 miles from the Joe Cool. According to prosecutors, Archer was under investigation for child molestation in Arkansas and had stolen $70,000 from a Wal-Mart where he worked before he fled to Miami. He and Zarabozo planned to take the boat to Cuba, prosecutors allege. After the Coast Guard rescued them at sea, the men said pirates had boarded the Joe Cool and killed the crew. Investigators who boarded the Joe Cool said they found blood and a handcuff key. They also discovered three spent shell casings matching ammunition Zarabozo purchased earlier, prosecutors said. Zarabozo's attorneys contend Archer, a former military police investigator, used the younger man's gun to kill the crew. Vanessa Blum can be reached at [email protected] or 954-356-4605. |
Thanks for the update. It still makes my stomach turn:mad:
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Very sad!!
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Yeah, sucks. The girls family is from up here in K'Zoo.
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 2633485)
By pleading guilty, Kirby Archer, 36, avoids a possible death sentence.
Instead, the former Wal-Mart employee from Strawberry, Ark. will receive a mandatory sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole. |
Originally Posted by Donman
(Post 2633913)
That`s what`s wrong with the system --- instead of using $10 worth of lethal drugs, we`d rather feed, clothe and house this scum bag for the next 40 years or so . . .
You can tell I`m from Texas, huh ? :evilb: |
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