Trick Marine is now Monster Marine??
12-23-2007, 02:14 PM
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Phil,
I get where you're coming from. But look, everyone who got burned by Trick, including vendors, has a right to recover what they can from that sorry outfit.
It isn't "disloyal" to the consumers for Gaffrig to get what it can from Trick, even if it happens to be some half-baked domain name. What, is Gaffrig supposed to receive nothing from Trick in support of consumers? Why?
As the guy who says he knows more but can't talk (which makes me wonder why even say it), there probably is a lot more to this story than we all know. But again, everyone, including the vendors to whom Trick owes money, deserves to recover whatever they can, however they can.
It isn't disloyal or wrong. It's business.
I get where you're coming from. But look, everyone who got burned by Trick, including vendors, has a right to recover what they can from that sorry outfit.
It isn't "disloyal" to the consumers for Gaffrig to get what it can from Trick, even if it happens to be some half-baked domain name. What, is Gaffrig supposed to receive nothing from Trick in support of consumers? Why?
As the guy who says he knows more but can't talk (which makes me wonder why even say it), there probably is a lot more to this story than we all know. But again, everyone, including the vendors to whom Trick owes money, deserves to recover whatever they can, however they can.
It isn't disloyal or wrong. It's business.
12-23-2007, 06:30 PM
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Pantera,
I wasn't picking on "the guy." Call me crazy, but I just find it somewhat valueless to post "there's more to the story, I know it, but I can't tell it." I'm sure there's more to the story. I'm sure there are a bunch of people who know more but can't tell it. If they all came on here and said, "I know more, but I can't tell it," I'd find it all pretty useless. But that's just me.
As for Gaffrig/Trick relationship as it pertains to the Monster Marine website ... it has been implied throughout this thread that Gaffrig took over the site. Here is text taken from your own post:
"The site was taken over by Gaffrig and is being converted to Monster Marine. It appears that Mike from Gaffrig was screwed too and he was able to get the domain name and site."
Now, if you read my post, I never said anything about payment or "assuming Trick's business." What I said was about vendors "recovering whatever they can," and in this case "whatever" appears to be a web site.
No attack, just clarification. Cool?
I wasn't picking on "the guy." Call me crazy, but I just find it somewhat valueless to post "there's more to the story, I know it, but I can't tell it." I'm sure there's more to the story. I'm sure there are a bunch of people who know more but can't tell it. If they all came on here and said, "I know more, but I can't tell it," I'd find it all pretty useless. But that's just me.
As for Gaffrig/Trick relationship as it pertains to the Monster Marine website ... it has been implied throughout this thread that Gaffrig took over the site. Here is text taken from your own post:
"The site was taken over by Gaffrig and is being converted to Monster Marine. It appears that Mike from Gaffrig was screwed too and he was able to get the domain name and site."
Now, if you read my post, I never said anything about payment or "assuming Trick's business." What I said was about vendors "recovering whatever they can," and in this case "whatever" appears to be a web site.
No attack, just clarification. Cool?
12-23-2007, 07:06 PM
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Pantera,
I wasn't picking on "the guy." Call me crazy, but I just find it somewhat valueless to post "there's more to the story, I know it, but I can't tell it." I'm sure there's more to the story. I'm sure there are a bunch of people who know more but can't tell it. If they all came on here and said, "I know more, but I can't tell it," I'd find it all pretty useless. But that's just me.
As for Gaffrig/Trick relationship as it pertains to the Monster Marine website ... it has been implied throughout this thread that Gaffrig took over the site. Here is text taken from your own post:
"The site was taken over by Gaffrig and is being converted to Monster Marine. It appears that Mike from Gaffrig was screwed too and he was able to get the domain name and site."
Now, if you read my post, I never said anything about payment or "assuming Trick's business." What I said was about vendors "recovering whatever they can," and in this case "whatever" appears to be a web site.
No attack, just clarification. Cool?
I wasn't picking on "the guy." Call me crazy, but I just find it somewhat valueless to post "there's more to the story, I know it, but I can't tell it." I'm sure there's more to the story. I'm sure there are a bunch of people who know more but can't tell it. If they all came on here and said, "I know more, but I can't tell it," I'd find it all pretty useless. But that's just me.
As for Gaffrig/Trick relationship as it pertains to the Monster Marine website ... it has been implied throughout this thread that Gaffrig took over the site. Here is text taken from your own post:
"The site was taken over by Gaffrig and is being converted to Monster Marine. It appears that Mike from Gaffrig was screwed too and he was able to get the domain name and site."
Now, if you read my post, I never said anything about payment or "assuming Trick's business." What I said was about vendors "recovering whatever they can," and in this case "whatever" appears to be a web site.
No attack, just clarification. Cool?
12-23-2007, 07:12 PM
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Not stirring a thing. Read what I wrote. Read nothing else into it and you'll be fine.
And if being directly affected was a prerequisite to post on a topic posts would be pretty few and far between.
I am sorry for your loss. It sucks. That you were taken by someone you probably trusted probably makes it worse. (Then again, if you didn't trust Trick you probably wouldn't have been taken, so there's the rub.)
What I'm saying is that Trick's vendors got every bit as screwed as Trick's customer, and they have every bit the same right to recover whatever they can.
What I'm also saying, and you can choose to disagree with it, saying "I know more but can't tell," though it might feel good to whoever is saying, doesn't shed light on the subject.
Feel free to disagree. I can handle it.
And if being directly affected was a prerequisite to post on a topic posts would be pretty few and far between.
I am sorry for your loss. It sucks. That you were taken by someone you probably trusted probably makes it worse. (Then again, if you didn't trust Trick you probably wouldn't have been taken, so there's the rub.)
What I'm saying is that Trick's vendors got every bit as screwed as Trick's customer, and they have every bit the same right to recover whatever they can.
What I'm also saying, and you can choose to disagree with it, saying "I know more but can't tell," though it might feel good to whoever is saying, doesn't shed light on the subject.
Feel free to disagree. I can handle it.
12-23-2007, 07:28 PM
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I really don't see how "100-plus" post is stirring anything. I think like he said the people that say "I'm in the know but can't tell" really isn't serving much of a purpose. I hope all the people who are out $$ are able to recover something. Oh, before you ask what I lost I'll tell you....ZERO
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Bored at work today so I will ramble for a while.
Don’t hold me responsible if all is not accurate because it is quite confusing.
In about 5 years I will go back to School for my MBA and use Trick as the study for my thesis
This story has everything in it.
A supposed stand up guy who pulls a long con by befriending people and giving such good deals and service at the start of his business that any chinks in his business plans are quickly beat down.
He was a board member who left the forum numerous time once in particular when he posted picture of his model daughter and was indignant over some off color remarks but used her in his later advertising for the sex appeal of it.
The board begged Fred to come back which he did. He then left his Burger King franchises as well as a few other fast food endeavors in shambles to help us in the boat parts business.
This business needs a stand up guy he proclaimed their are to many crooks in it.
Yea Fred!!!!!
We all shouted all hail the king of the good deal.
How quickly he conned us all
Rumors of huge amounts of money being lost by CMI and Livorsi begin to surface. Trick quickly drops them when his credit ran out to suck in other vendors. He all the time declares I am just replacing inferior vendors with ones who have better quality and service.
Greed was running rampant as soon as one vendor was dropped another stepped up to fill his place being so happy with the volume of product trick was moving.
End users getting stiffed and left holding the bag for goods bought but not shipped
A board members son worked for Trick and leaves do to unprofessional conduct at the company but tell no one about the problems but when it finallay unravels seems to be in the know about everything but will say nothing . Including allegations of drug use by a step son in the family and how that helped sink a business and may have been a part of the car crash that killed him. A family member (nephew) chimes in to cooberate the stories and a daughter also chimes in who refutes the issues.
Trick stringing along customers long enough so they could not get recourse from credit cards Trick dumping of assets before being forced onto bankruptcy and stringing it out so they will be out side of pre-petition bankruptcy window
Everything is crashing in on Fred he (Trick) is having a fire sale of assets on EBay
But the main players involved CMI/Livorsi/Trick/Gaffrig and other vendors probably do to legal reasons are staying mum about the whole situation.
People who did and did not work there are saying they are in the know but can’t talk do to legal reasons.
Then one morning Gaffrig gets the rights to the Trick web domain and web page code. How could this happen overnite? Was there a sweetheart deal cut for back invoices due Gaffrig? Why do it when you already have distribution?
People say they are talking to Gaffrig and things are not what they seem but no word from Mike. This is generating a fair amount of confusion and bad press for the new Monster Marine.
Gaffrig is not saying a word but just redoing web site to reflect new company name Monster Marine.
Gaffrig has not been without controversy suing to get the rights to its name back from Livorsi who had taken the name Gaffrig and built an industry around it. Most people today probably still think Gaffrig gauges are made by Mike Livorsi’s company.
Now we are to believe Gaffrig has being involved in two of the most emotional bickering threads on this site and It turns out he doesn’t read the most important web site for performance boating.
And all of this playing out in a public forum with only one fact known and that is Fred was a thief a lot of boaters are out a lot of money and many vendors are also left holding the bag.
.
Like I said my MBA will be based on this or maybe even a crime novel.
Who needs fiction?
Merry Christmas may we all recognize the next Fred Cecil sooner and listen when someone points him out
Don’t hold me responsible if all is not accurate because it is quite confusing.
In about 5 years I will go back to School for my MBA and use Trick as the study for my thesis
This story has everything in it.
A supposed stand up guy who pulls a long con by befriending people and giving such good deals and service at the start of his business that any chinks in his business plans are quickly beat down.
He was a board member who left the forum numerous time once in particular when he posted picture of his model daughter and was indignant over some off color remarks but used her in his later advertising for the sex appeal of it.
The board begged Fred to come back which he did. He then left his Burger King franchises as well as a few other fast food endeavors in shambles to help us in the boat parts business.
This business needs a stand up guy he proclaimed their are to many crooks in it.
Yea Fred!!!!!
We all shouted all hail the king of the good deal.
How quickly he conned us all
Rumors of huge amounts of money being lost by CMI and Livorsi begin to surface. Trick quickly drops them when his credit ran out to suck in other vendors. He all the time declares I am just replacing inferior vendors with ones who have better quality and service.
Greed was running rampant as soon as one vendor was dropped another stepped up to fill his place being so happy with the volume of product trick was moving.
End users getting stiffed and left holding the bag for goods bought but not shipped
A board members son worked for Trick and leaves do to unprofessional conduct at the company but tell no one about the problems but when it finallay unravels seems to be in the know about everything but will say nothing . Including allegations of drug use by a step son in the family and how that helped sink a business and may have been a part of the car crash that killed him. A family member (nephew) chimes in to cooberate the stories and a daughter also chimes in who refutes the issues.
Trick stringing along customers long enough so they could not get recourse from credit cards Trick dumping of assets before being forced onto bankruptcy and stringing it out so they will be out side of pre-petition bankruptcy window
Everything is crashing in on Fred he (Trick) is having a fire sale of assets on EBay
But the main players involved CMI/Livorsi/Trick/Gaffrig and other vendors probably do to legal reasons are staying mum about the whole situation.
People who did and did not work there are saying they are in the know but can’t talk do to legal reasons.
Then one morning Gaffrig gets the rights to the Trick web domain and web page code. How could this happen overnite? Was there a sweetheart deal cut for back invoices due Gaffrig? Why do it when you already have distribution?
People say they are talking to Gaffrig and things are not what they seem but no word from Mike. This is generating a fair amount of confusion and bad press for the new Monster Marine.
Gaffrig is not saying a word but just redoing web site to reflect new company name Monster Marine.
Gaffrig has not been without controversy suing to get the rights to its name back from Livorsi who had taken the name Gaffrig and built an industry around it. Most people today probably still think Gaffrig gauges are made by Mike Livorsi’s company.
Now we are to believe Gaffrig has being involved in two of the most emotional bickering threads on this site and It turns out he doesn’t read the most important web site for performance boating.
And all of this playing out in a public forum with only one fact known and that is Fred was a thief a lot of boaters are out a lot of money and many vendors are also left holding the bag.
.
Like I said my MBA will be based on this or maybe even a crime novel.
Who needs fiction?
Merry Christmas may we all recognize the next Fred Cecil sooner and listen when someone points him out
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12-24-2007, 10:18 AM
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Klaw
So eliquently written! Thank you for the Cliff Notes on this whole fiasco. You have brought the story of Fred Cecil and Trick Marine into concise perspective. I feel for everyone that is involved in this brutal situation. Rogues causing detriment in any form of business should be done away with swiftly.
Hugh
So eliquently written! Thank you for the Cliff Notes on this whole fiasco. You have brought the story of Fred Cecil and Trick Marine into concise perspective. I feel for everyone that is involved in this brutal situation. Rogues causing detriment in any form of business should be done away with swiftly.
Hugh
