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Steve 1 01-25-2011 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Catmando (Post 3306981)
Which motors? FPT or Cummins?

FPT Really well done!

HabanaJoe 01-25-2011 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by Jassman (Post 3306932)
I guess I should have read a few pages back. The cost numbers are extremely fair, and the hp/tq is very close. I just am worried about how long those 300 dealers will have support unlike Cummins and Yanmar.. Im going to give it another year or so in this economy.

As to what I would pay for a 600hp motor ?????the problem I have is the 300 hours for warranty..Ill stick with a gasser at that point. Jeff

Jeff, how many hours a year do you boat? If it was 1,000 hrs and 3 years would it be Ok and then what would you pay per engine?

Jassman 01-25-2011 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by HabanaJoe (Post 3307226)
Jeff, how many hours a year do you boat? If it was 1,000 hrs and 3 years would it be Ok and then what would you pay per engine?

Joe..about 100-120 on the NorTech, and around 150-200 on the Albury Brothers CC. Both boats have been sold...BUT...On our CC for 2010 its about 260 hours, but its the only boat I have at the moment. I actually coukld have put on more but we really had a rainy year.

around-40k

Catmando 01-25-2011 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3307077)
FPT Really well done!

Yes but too bad the dam things weigh 3000lbs.

HabanaJoe 01-25-2011 07:47 PM

Jeff, the Cummins base warranty is 2 years 1,000 hrs so pratically speaking on a perfromance boat, performance diesel, 3 years or 300 hrs would have wroked for you or put you in better spot than a base Cummins warranty. Not that it matters I was just curious about your thoughts on that.

As far as price goes, 40k for the diesel sounds like "a deal", the Merc 600hp has to go for almost that much?

Again not really driving at anything just would like to know what people think is fair?

Comparing 1990's pricing a 400 hp "B" retailed for about $18,000 no trans that's $45/hp. Take that to the 600hp and it's $27,000, so your $40k for 600hp might be a fair number today?

Does anyone know what a 600hp Cummins C sells for today, I'm curious?

mikebrls 01-25-2011 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by Catmando (Post 3307289)
Yes but too bad the dam things weigh 3000lbs.

they weigh about 1350lbs + trans,

so i guess twin's would weigh around 3 k +

7075T6 01-26-2011 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by Convertible (Post 3306879)
Does any UK member know this firm?

http://www.chipexpress.com/products/2458/

I have twin Volvo D6 370 with DPH drives in My 38" Wellcraft Excalibur. (cruising at 40 knots and top speed is 44-45 knots) I'm not forced to change my drives to DPR as the DPH's Nibral propellers cant take the cruising speed my boat goes.

With DPR I should be able to map some more Hp/Torque to upper range as those D6's with their 5.5litre engines are quite mildly tuned.

Anyone else with D6's?

You can use the stainless GR- propellers from the DPR with a spacer(same shaft). The DPR-legs makes only difference in speeds over 50 knots.
You can not get more than 385-390 hp from the D6-370. The limitations are the size of the turbo,intercooler and injectors.
We got about 470 hp from the D6-435 with help from Volvos R&D guys. The 435 has different pistons, larger IC, turbo and injectors.

Convertible 01-27-2011 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by 7075T6 (Post 3307617)
You can use the stainless GR- propellers from the DPR with a spacer(same shaft). The DPR-legs makes only difference in speeds over 50 knots.
You can not get more than 385-390 hp from the D6-370. The limitations are the size of the turbo,intercooler and injectors.
We got about 470 hp from the D6-435 with help from Volvos R&D guys. The 435 has different pistons, larger IC, turbo and injectors.

Thanks!

Whats the diffrence in DPH and DPR drives in the ratios, they are different right? So if I put DPR props to those DPH drives (the smallest size) how does it work.

I'm now using the size 8 in the DPH drives.

7075T6 01-27-2011 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by Convertible (Post 3308944)
Thanks!

Whats the diffrence in DPH and DPR drives in the ratios, they are different right? So if I put DPR props to those DPH drives (the smallest size) how does it work.

I'm now using the size 8 in the DPH drives.

Think there a two or three ratios on the DPH. Should be found at Volvo Pentas website. The DPR gears fit in the DPH-housing.

The DPR has a 1:1,36 ratio. My boat hit the revlimiters at 60,5 knots with the largest GR9 props. With modified GR9;s and a modified 3730 rpm revlimit it topped out at 65,3 knots (75,1 mph). Still at the limiter.

Convertible 01-27-2011 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by 7075T6 (Post 3309146)
Think there a two or three ratios on the DPH. Should be found at Volvo Pentas website. The DPR gears fit in the DPH-housing.

The DPR has a 1:1,36 ratio. My boat hit the revlimiters at 60,5 knots with the largest GR9 props. With modified GR9;s and a modified 3730 rpm revlimit it topped out at 65,3 knots (75,1 mph). Still at the limiter.


Hi Thanks!

It seems that the ratio is 1.63:1?

http://www.mitabmarin.se/pdf/Vp/di_aq/D6-370_DP.pdf

So how does that go with the GR propellers?

What boat do you have? Really nice speed you got there!


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