SuperTermoli is a longtime, highly-respected OSO member. Not sure if he's a Fin or Norwegian or Swedish or... :D

I talked to a Banks rep today about their marine project. He said it was on hold until GM can get sorted out. They don't even have a test boat yet. Banks is also trying to close the hp/tq gap from 2:1 to 1.5:1.

There is no question that multispeed transmissions are the key to diesel speed. A diesel will never match a gas motor in rpms so gearing is the way forward. Works for gas motors too(Zero Defect raceboat).

Supertermoli is from Italie,I don,t see any posts from him on OSO anymore.......too bad ,like Mickeyfin said ,he is very knowledgeble guy.

A boatbuilder/designer from Italy who has apparently decided to stay anonymous....
He fiddles usually with 50+ft boats and Surface Drives plus Big diesels and step bottoms.
Come to think of it Buzzis designs are close...

so are you Stirling...so are you...

Tomorrow hopefully I´ll get a chance to look ( and buy hopefully) for some ASD (?)´s that became too fragile for a BIG diesel boat.
The guy who gave me the hint stated them aluminum clad surface drives was rated to 1500hp and that was 1000hp below the rating of the current engines.
I believe I´ll bee seeing somekinda former Patrol/Torpedo boat, I know it tops already ca 65mph.
All I know the engines are all aluminum multivalves, turbocharged and intercooled RUSSIAN V12 engines at 2500 hp each...

It´s a MasMar47 the last one built but another one has been ordered thou.
This one´s available chartered with crew for fast cruises in the Baltic and to some places the fastest option too, beats a car and a plane but the run against a helicopter hasn´t been done yet.

AstraMarine also built one Masmar 75J (footer) that tops 70mph... With Triple Jets and triple CAT 3416´s...

Here´s the Links to the 75 J
in Finnish:
http://www.turunsanomat.fi/sunnuntai...9,1:0:0:0:0:0:
some Photos.
http://www.pitkajarvi.1g.fi/kuvat/Masmar_75/

A late remark...
But it was An American who Built them multispeeds to the European Diesel racers.

* Weismann Transmissions, the one who also built the very first SSM6´s and Pat was the man behind the Kaama´s.

A Big Applause is Mandatory here:party-smiley-020: IMO.

But Don´t get Pat Started on politics around offshore racing in the US...:hitfan:

all the Duramax Trucks are good for is the transmission in them.
Not the utter pile of rubbish the engine is.

MikeyFin - your too funny. Your as sarcastic as I am!!!:ernaehrung004:

I´f you read my posts you gotta have your sarcasm filter on at full....

Truthfully...
The RV´s with C power ( Read Dodges) has the Duramac truck Allisons in them... so I´m just telling the truth.
Besides GM is giving up on them themselves ain´t they...:grinser010:
Now for the 3rd time GM has F***ed up their diesel projects, right ?

When the rods are smaller than 80 c.i. Twin Cam Alfa Romeo engines you begin to wonder... and inferior in steel too...

I also drive Big rigs for Living... and Favor M.A.N. trucks so I might know something about what stacks up and what doesn´t.

MikeyFIN,

Your remark about GM and giving up on Duramax????

We were at a Cummins Christmas party yesterday and I'll just say rumor has it GM has been looking for another engine to put in their trucks. Nothing specific but they said there has been interest especially since GM is looking to save money and using another manufacturer for diesel engines could fit that bill???

You know talk is cheap and bg companies like to toot their own horns so is it true?????

Joe Gere

Joe..now who of just blurted it out..me or you ?
I just heard it thru the grapevine and if you add 1+1 you might avoid a 4th failure.

C is having a upgrade on their engines in displacement so seems Duramax V8 will bite the dust and I wouldn´t wonder at all. But thenagain if they make the bottom end twice as strong ( lika Banks did) then C will have something to think of ?
Now that story of GM saving money by abandoning and not refining their own developed product is so typical GM.
I just don´t get it and I´d like to take the bean counter in charge between the ropes to learn some sense...

Oh well time will tell who got a MikeyFIN...

We'll see!!!

Memory lane
 

Joe,
Back in the day when Kitami was doing his thing did you ever cross paths with a dude named Arisaki? I was at his place last tuesday. He is busy restoring some wooden hulled racing catamaran. Back in the day twin fixed surface drives with quad Merc 1000s.:drink:

Maybe a rice diet for GM?
 

Wonder if GM is looking at the new Toyota V-8?

I drive a Dodge diesel but these numbers from the Duramax don't surprise me. Gale Banks has a marinized Duramax with 550hp. I would love to see Weismann do an inline setup with their six speed transmissions and diesel drives in a 38-42' V bottom.

thanks for the info..its been a long time coming in development on these motors...Im still waiting for Banks to come to marketing as well as another co that I talked to back in 07.

Bump.

Hope Not.

Good Thing most of us had not held our breath waiting for these new diesel engine wunderkin offerings! EH!

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

Well the world market went how it went so no developments have materialized as it was written on the wall 2 yrs ago.. but Fiat has its FPT line and Volkswagen Marine has the 350hp V8 diesel that revs to 4200+ and is 150lbs lighter than a BBC.
http://www.vw-m.de/index.php?id=474&L=1

What happened to the diesel project you were working on..

Some blind luck and good foresight!
 

Thankfully we stopped and put it on the back burner when re realized the costs were approaching "most users can't afford status" and just before the bottom fell out of the economy and the resulting boating economy!

Hope someday there are better affordable diesel options out there!

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

the deisal's are not that much money when compared to gas motor's the problem lie's with in the drive set up on a pre rigged gas motor with a bravo style drive . if you are buying a brand new boat and get the surface drive's from the beginning i don't think there will be that much off a cost difference .
i have been looking into buying a used boat and replacing gas motor's with deisal's ,the motor's are not that much money it's the dam drive's that cost almost as much as the deisal motor's

example .
FPT 560 hp 1300+ lbs tQ = $ 33,000 and change x 2 == $ 66k

# 8 surface drive's and transmission's x 2 = $ 65k

plus the re rig .

now some 525's will cost the same amount new the differences is u don't have to replace the drive's .

so when buying a brand new 38 to say 45 footer and your spending $250+k the $ 10 k to $20 + for the unbreakable drive's is not that big of a deal but to sink say $ 130 k into a used boat is a lot of $$$ .

just my thought's
mike

$$ per power and speed??
 

MickeyFin:;

That new Volkswagen 350 TDI diesel is a really nice and well engineered compact package as offered and its 800lb weight, 520 lb/ft of torque and 350 horsepower will nicely equal a HP small block or mild production big block. The 4200 rpm re-limit will be a speed limiter based on torque numbers when its hooked to a 1.5 to 1.65 ratio outdrive though. The real $64K question is what is the actual customer cost for this engine package less drive. If it is the $30Kto $40K I suspect then the question of this engines real potential and excitement begins to wain?

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

here's another boat story i was looking at " on ebay now "

1995 42 sonic with brand new yanmar " man " 320 deisal's and bravo drive's " all brand new not even in boat yet . here's the problem the drive will probably be ok as long as your careful with it but the speed is so slow for a performance boat . top speed is estimated @ 62 mph ,cruise speed @ 50 to 55 mph .
so this is a good example of the drive problem and having to replace them when putting any type of high hp deisal's in a boat .
they did not want to replace the drive's with upgrade drive's because it would cost to much money so they opted for small hp deisal's and that is fine and will probably get great fuel mpg but it's going to be slow for someone that has had a performance boat before .
the funny thing is this type of boat need'd to cruise at 60 mph or so just to handle the water better in any type of wave's , if you go to slow you will be bouncing all over . need some speed to skip over the top .

mike

Yeah I saw a 50' Nortech V with triple Yanmar 315s and Bravo drives in the Classifieds. I wonder how fast that boat would run because the seller didn't say lol.

Your power train #'s don't jive. The FPT 560's are about 30K each and the ASD8's with gears are 45K for the pair or $95K for the power package.

i only got one quote and as you can see the guy was trying to charge to much , as time get's closer i will call a few more vender's . that is a big differences in price .
so your saying that the asd 8's for a pair with tran's would cost me around $ 45 k ? doe's this include the steering ram's and any thing else i would need for a fresh setup ?

rik when the time come's i will get in touch with u and if i can buy from u that would be great but if not can u refer someone to me

thank's
mike

I can handle your needs direct and yes the current pricing on the gears and the ASD8's is in the ballpark of 45K. Note: All Arneson Surface Drives come complete with trim and steering cylinders. There is no extra charges for these items.

Are you coming to the Miami Boat Show? See me at booth # 4255..

thank's , see ya there
mike

Look out for a new Yanmar with high pressure direct injection packaged with a drive rumoured to be 350hp and a solid drive that will stand the HP!

What we need is Yanmar or Cummins to come out with their 480 hp package and get it to be in the 600hp/1300 tq range..that will solve all my problems..The drives are the easy part.. ASD-8's..The boat...well..guess..:grinser010:

fpt 560 hp is some where close to that TQ . and from i understand they build the cuminins motor's so they should be reliable and they are building a usa network now ,
i think on there website they say they have 300 dealer's in usa as of now .
and like what rik said the price is rite @ $ 30k each

mike

That would be so sick, imagine that power and effortless high cruising speeds with awesome fuel mileage.

Let me jump in here again and stir it up~!

How much would anyone pay for those magic 600hp engines, just the engine itself - each?

Let's say there is an extensive dealer network up and down coastal areas, a 3 year or 300 hr warranty - how much are you willing to pay for each engine?

One more thing what doesd a 600hp Merc cost - just engine?

Those motors are a work of art!

Does any UK member know this firm?

http://www.chipexpress.com/products/2458/

I have twin Volvo D6 370 with DPH drives in My 38" Wellcraft Excalibur. (cruising at 40 knots and top speed is 44-45 knots) I'm not forced to change my drives to DPR as the DPH's Nibral propellers cant take the cruising speed my boat goes.

With DPR I should be able to map some more Hp/Torque to upper range as those D6's with their 5.5litre engines are quite mildly tuned.

Anyone else with D6's?

I guess I should have read a few pages back. The cost numbers are extremely fair, and the hp/tq is very close. I just am worried about how long those 300 dealers will have support unlike Cummins and Yanmar.. Im going to give it another year or so in this economy.

As to what I would pay for a 600hp motor ?????the problem I have is the 300 hours for warranty..Ill stick with a gasser at that point. Jeff

Which motors? FPT or Cummins?