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Very nice! Love the sound. Will be interesting to see how the 271 like the change in CG. You guys need to do a 292!:evilb::drink:
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Sounds great!
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Originally Posted by 4mulafastech
(Post 2679712)
Very nice! Love the sound. Will be interesting to see how the 271 like the change in CG. You guys need to do a 292!:evilb::drink:
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Originally Posted by pokerrunboats
(Post 2680613)
I send you an order form :food-smiley-007:
Keep us updated on your 271 project!:ernaehrung004: |
Will the real lightweight Champion please stand UP!!
We at Raylar are thrilled to hear that little"BAD BOY" runn'in again Alfred! Glad you've got the Imco box now so you can splash that Formula and get some testing done.
I just love to hear that engine REV! There's nothing like variable cam timing to make a marine engine perform at all RPMS! You guys should get your LSM550 orders in before we get to backed up with orders! There's a "Little Red ONE" about to be splashed in a beautiful vintage Cigarette installation in Miami soon! Oh, now the fun begins!! Best Regards, Ray @ Raylar |
Originally Posted by Raylar
(Post 2680836)
We at Raylar are thrilled to hear that little"BAD BOY" runn'in again Alfred! Glad you've got the Imco box now so you can splash that Formula and get some testing done.
I just love to hear that engine REV! There's nothing like variable cam timing to make a marine engine perform at all RPMS! You guys should get your LSM550 orders in before we get to backed up with orders! There's a "Little Red ONE" about to be splashed in a beautiful vintage Cigarette installation in Miami soon! Oh, now the fun begins!! Best Regards, Ray @ Raylar What is the cost of rebuild and average time (hours) before rebuild? |
As soon as I saw that write up I thought they would be an awsome alternative to bumping up my existing 7.4's to 450-500HP. Not only for weight savings but to also free up a little room in the engine compartment. However, at $26K a pop, not very realistic for me as it would cost more than my boat is worth!
If I was to order a new 28 Pantera or something like that these would be the way to go. |
Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater
(Post 2681156)
What is the cost of rebuild and average time (hours) before rebuild?
Good question. Ray, do you have an estimate of average hours before rebuild? Could/would you perform the refresh? |
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due to the digital throttle there are no shift or throttle cables on the engine - all are installed at the transom some more pics we painted the engine so that it fits to the boat graphics |
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Sweet!:cool: Thanks for the update. Looking forward to a performance report.
Ray, any idea on hours between rebuilds, or is it too early to know? Thanks.:drink: |
Originally Posted by pokerrunboats
(Post 2682585)
engine is now in the boat
due to the digital throttle there are no shift or throttle cables on the engine - all are installed at the transom some more pics we painted the engine so that it fits to the boat graphics Digital throttle and shifter?????? I'm unfamiliar with this new concept, please tell us more. Thats got to be the worst color scheme I've ever seen on an engine, sorry.:party-smiley-004: |
The Raylar LSM550 has an electronically controlled thottlebody as all the new release engines do, the only difference is that your throttle cables attach to a contol actuator on our engine instead of attaching to the throttlebody itself. These new electronically controlled throttle bodies eliminate the old idle air controllers that have been some problems for performance boaters and the idle control is much quicker and and smoother, especially when coming on idle or going in and out of gear when manuvering.
As for shifting, the Raylar LSM550 will work with any standard Bravo or industry drive shifter and it has the ability to integrate into any electronic shift control system with our "smart guard" ECM contoller capabilities. The electronic ECM on this engine is even more capable than Mercury's PCM555. Can I interest anybody in electronic cruise control with GPS interface. See what I mean its designed with the future in mind! As for color choices, the motor was shipped with Mirror candy blue and silver. What our customers do from there on is their choice not ours. One mans palace is anothers mans garage! Best Regards, Ray @ Raylar |
Originally Posted by 4mulafastech
(Post 2683355)
Ray, any idea on hours between rebuilds, or is it too early to know? Thanks.:drink:
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Originally Posted by 4mulafastech
(Post 2683773)
Is this a dumb question??:confused:
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Hours on the Raylar LSM550?
Sorry for the delayed answer about engine hours on the LSM550. We obviously don't have real long hour results yet on this new engine, but my professional knowledge and opinion on the operating hours, based on how well these LSM550's are built and the quality of the parts used tells me that a boater should see somewhere between 500 and 750 hours before any overhaul should be required, possibly longer depending on use. Most likely at that point I would also think that a new set of rings and bearings, an oil pump, a valve job on the heads with new springs and maybe a new set of roller lifters and rockers might be all thats required for an overhaul. We warranty the engine now for 1 year and with more history we may extend that warranty to two years. Its going to be a wonderfully reliable power plant.
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Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater
(Post 2683433)
Digital throttle and shifter?????? I'm unfamiliar with this new concept, please tell us more.
Thats got to be the worst color scheme I've ever seen on an engine, sorry.:party-smiley-004: |
Pokerrunboats, any performance numbers on the 271 yet?
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Any more info to update? It looks & sounds good :)
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Where you guys at Raylar out for some testruns in San Diego Bay today? :)
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Caught Playing Hookey!!
Yes We were! Thats the nice thing about being in San Diego in sunny Southern California, we can test and run all year long on most days. We are doing some in the boat air/fuel ratio checks on our HO600 engine with Dana Exhaust and Captains Call. We are checking the engine at lower rpms with the system switched to thru the prop exhaust and then at higher rpms with the exhaust out the transom to see the effects on air/fuel ratio's and whether the Captains Call systems are a problem for this engine with its bigger camshaft at idle and low rpms up to 2500 rpms.
You caught me! I promise I'll get right back to the office! Ha! Best Regards, Ray @ Raylar |
Originally Posted by pokerrunboats
(Post 2679633)
We are building a Formula with the new 550
but it is a single engine 271 we add Imco extension box with 3 inch rise and large 380 K- Planes to the package |
Originally Posted by Raylar
(Post 2661638)
Thanks for the acknowledgement guys! We are only two years ahead of the rest of the marine engine high performance engine companies!!
The Raylar LSM550 is an awesome package as described. The LSM550 with a Bravo HR drive and transome weighs right at 756lbs versus a 496HO at 1320lbs so I think the 500 lbs savings per motor is realistic and at about $32K with drive versus $40K plus for HP525 also has a nice price advantage for an all aluminum hand built motor with a 6,000 rpm conservative rev-limit!! The Formula 292 in Germany has one being installed last week and I don't have performance figures yet, but it should work wonders on an already heavy boat that came with a stock 496HO iron monster!We have two more of these babies being dynoed and broken in on the dyno'sw as we speak and they should be in their respective boats quite soon. I think if the high performance boat market wasn't in such a down state right now we would probably have more orders than we could even handle! We have just quoted two to Pantera for use in a new 28footer and I think there is another Sunsation customer ready to order a new 32 with the same Raylar LSM550 twin package. Both boats should be rocket ships with this power to weight ratios and the miserly fuel consumption at cruise will alsobe a big benefit with todays fuel costs. Raylar knows that as more of these all aluminum beauties reach the market the future will speak for itself. Just Remember that Dynamite comes in small packages!! Best Regards, Ray @ Raylar Thanks! |
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Why is it we only hear how great these engines are on the dyno but nothing about real world applications...:confused: |
4mulafastec:
Because there are not a lot of boaters out there buying new engines and there certainly are not a lot of boat builders building a lot of new boats! If you would like to purchase a Raylar engine for your boat we would certainly like to sell you one. If you know of an engine builder selling a lot of new performance engines right now I certainly would like to know that firm so I can learn from their example and study their success at this product so we could offer a similar product to give our new engine sales a shot in the arm! You have peaked my curiosity, why is this information so important to you that when I PM'd you and ask you to call me toll free for some information on a few LSM550 users, you do not and instead keep blogging here in this post for information?? Best Regards, Ray @ Raylar |
Yesterday, Mercury Marine announced the introduction of an all new, aluminum headed, big-block base powerplant, that will be incorporated into their complete engine/drive packages. Its based off GM's LS series of engines. Know the details on it Ray?
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Originally Posted by Raylar
(Post 2936554)
4mulafastec:
You have peaked my curiosity, why is this information so important to you that when I PM'd you and ask you to call me toll free for some information on a few LSM550 users, you do not and instead keep blogging here in this post for information?? Best Regards, Ray @ Raylar |
Originally Posted by Raylar
(Post 2936554)
4mulafastec:
Because there are not a lot of boaters out there buying new engines and there certainly are not a lot of boat builders building a lot of new boats! If you would like to purchase a Raylar engine for your boat we would certainly like to sell you one. If you know of an engine builder selling a lot of new performance engines right now I certainly would like to know that firm so I can learn from their example and study their success at this product so we could offer a similar product to give our new engine sales a shot in the arm! You have peaked my curiosity, why is this information so important to you that when I PM'd you and ask you to call me toll free for some information on a few LSM550 users, you do not and instead keep blogging here in this post for information? Best Regards, Ray @ Raylar Also on a slightly different note I have seen & know of some of these engines that have been installed. I have not heard anything bad about them other than some people not being willing to pony up the $$. There have been some other posts here & elsewhere with regards to these engines with again nothing bad about them, at least that is to the best of my recollection.. That said, I have been one of Ray's (Raylar's) Dealers for the last several years and have not had any problems with him or his products to date. Also FYI or to those who may care to know. I am planning to use the LSM 550 in a 20' Cig that we are currently completely redoing. The only reason the engine is not at my shop yet is because the major hull work is still being done. We hopefully will be ready for the engine by late this fall / early winter.. I certainly wouldnt intentionally steer one of my customer's into something that I thought was a waste or problematic.. I do think that if the economy as a whole was better that you would see more boats with this power in them. Both new & old. I hope this info helps everybody.. :) Jamie / Lakeside Restorations. |
Originally Posted by spilman
(Post 2662026)
Well, that's a great question; one that I have yet to get a definite answer from Pat on. I have not put it on the scales; plus I would be estimating my trailer weight. BUT.....if a single bbc 28AT weighs 4600-4800 dry, then I estimate my AT w/ twin sb & Bravos to be 5400-5600 dry....realistic wet weight is more like 6500#'s.
So, although it is a good bit lighter than a newer 292; w/o steps we run within 1mph @wot...I think. I'm @ 71.5mph @ 4800. Well, I was until my port engine started knocking....not sure what I will do next. I've recently learned how cost prohibitive : realistic results/reliability any upgrades will be;...just fix'r up and go boatin'. Sure would love the LSM 550's though...I guess I'll start a fund...Any donations? |
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