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DareDevil 07-21-2010 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 3164675)
You're serious?

I dont think he is...LOL:party-smiley-004:

mccaffertee 07-21-2010 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by saxman (Post 3164629)
BUT, in high speed vee-bottoms (100mph+ or more), the boat doesn't have a wide foot-print like most cats, and spinning out creates even more stern lift leaving even less of a footprint (width wise) for the boat to run on, making it a handfull to balance (drive). In other words, at high speed in a vee, there is more lateral stability lost from the smaller footprint of the hull than there is lateral stability gained from spinning the props out.

I believe this is where a pad-bottom boat makes a difference. To get speed, you want less drag (minimal footprint), What you are describing is increased wetted surface to help with stability, but you are increasing drag. A conventional V has nothing to balance on once it goes fast enough to lift off the chines and falls from side-to-side - the chinewalk you describe. A pad bottom gives you the horizontal surface below the chines to balance the boat on at high speed, but this does take skill. The Velocity is the perfect example of a pad bottom working correctly at high speed...ever see the video where the 30' Velocity breaks 100 MPH? It's Steve Stepp/Dick Fullam running a boat called Still Crazy balls to the wall and probably the finest example of NOT ONLY making a boat go fast, but how to drive at high speed.

TWIN-SPINS 07-21-2010 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by T2x (Post 2686630)
If you are looking for an early "Production" stepped Mono hull........

Here's one.....and not the only one.

circa 1961

T2x

i like the three man bolster seating in the Jet-Cat 16:drink:http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/a...honyb61002.jpg

kap328 07-21-2010 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by wot (Post 3164434)
First, I disagree w/your analysis; lots of great information in this thread, and I appreciate the history, facts and humor of it all.

Second, That Miss America X w/the Quad Allison's (maybe Merlin's?) is amazing!

Third, we spin out w/our cat outboard; but hear spinning in is faster; sacrificing handling.
Finally;

Who had the first (production) stepped hull?

"After trying several designs, his engineers discovered the stepped hydrofoil hull"

"In January 1912, Curtiss debuted his first successful flying boat, The Flying Fish, which incorporated the stepped hull"

Glenn Curtiss & The Curtiss Company
Like every other technological leap, it origins are military. Albeit a Flying Boat, it is a boat and the first production power boat w/a Stepped Hull.


http://www.centennialofflight.gov/es...tiss/Aero2.htm

Reply:
I am not sure what you disagree about I did not find the answer to the question and have a hard time deciphering your post.

Sure a lot of nice photos of vintage, one off, and old time race boats of the past were posted... but they were irrelevant to the question posed by the author of this thread.

I can only assume from your post that the Glenn Curtiss & Company produced the first stepped V-Bottom. If so where did you get the information?

Where can I read about it and how they developed their hull from merely having chines to stepping the bottom.

KAP

P.S. Spin in or out depends on what hull you have, driving style and your set-up it's not like a master key or one size fits all conclusion.


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 3164675)
You're serious?

Are you!

Back4More 07-21-2010 08:47 PM

So that why my non step with outward rotation rides and handles like a dream. Thanks T2x, I learned something today.

rlj676 07-21-2010 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by kap328 (Post 3164858)
Reply:
I am not sure what you disagree about I did not find the answer to the question and have a hard time deciphering your post.

Sure a lot of nice photos of vintage, one off, and old time race boats of the past were posted... but they were irrelevant to the question posed by the author of this thread.

I can only assume from your post that the Glenn Curtiss & Company produced the first stepped V-Bottom. If so where did you get the information?

Where can I read about it and how they developed their hull from merely having chines to stepping the bottom.

KAP

P.S. Spin in or out depends on what hull you have, driving style and your set-up it's not like a master key or one size fits all conclusion.



Are you!

Please elaborate on how you find a step to improve the ride in the ocean/rough? I am sure you've been in a step that rode better than a traditional V in the rough, but I would be nearly positive that would be due to other factors.

wot 07-21-2010 09:32 PM


I am not sure what you disagree about I did not find the answer to the question and have a hard time deciphering your post.
...
I can only assume from your post that the Glenn Curtiss & Company produced the first stepped V-Bottom. If so where did you get the information?

Where can I read about it and how they developed their hull from merely having chines to stepping the bottom.
"During the course of his hydroaeroplane and flying boat development, Glenn Curtiss incorporated design innovations
that made the seaplane a practical reality, beginning with the enclose hull, covered with fabric for strength and
water tightness. Curtiss, with assistance from Royal Navy engineer Lt. John Cyril Porte, further enhanced the ability
of waterborne aircraft to get off the water by constructing a mid-way "step" on the bottom of the float or hu
ll.
Water has adhesive qualities, especially when running over a curved surface, and early seaplanes had difficulty
getting "unstuck" from the water, especially in calm seas. The addition of the step helped break up the water flow
under the hull enabling the flying boat to get airborne more easily. Curtiss also added breather tubes to the flying
boat hull. These were small copper tubes that ran from the inside of the hull to the undersurface step to relieve
the low pressure under the hull and assisted the aircraft in becoming airborne."

http://www.nasm.si.edu/collections/a...d=A19490022000


I recommend contacting:

The editor and user groups @ http://earlyaviators.com/eporte.htm
The Library of Congress @ http://www.loc.gov/index.html
Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum http://www.nasm.si.edu

To further assist your research.

Best regards

http://www.nasm.si.edu/images/collec...022000cp10.jpg

kap328 07-21-2010 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3164883)
Please elaborate on how you find a step to improve the ride in the ocean/rough? I am sure you've been in a step that rode better than a traditional V in the rough, but I would be nearly positive that would be due to other factors.

RLJ676:

Why don't you elaborate on which current production offshore boats do not have a step in the bottom----uhhh Fountain, Hustler, Baja, Laveycraft, Phantom, Donzi, Cigarette all stepped V-Bottoms--- this list is not inclusive you could get more names in the builders forum section.

Oh they put them in because they are gimmicks flippin give me a break---Payaso.

KAP

vette131 07-22-2010 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by kap328 (Post 3165033)
RLJ676:

Why don't you elaborate on which current production offshore boats do not have a step in the bottom----uhhh Fountain, Hustler, Baja, Laveycraft, Phantom, Donzi, Cigarette all stepped V-Bottoms--- this list is not inclusive you could get more names in the builders forum section.
Oh they put them in because they are gimmicks flippin give me a break---Payaso.

KAP

Steps on a baja?

JaayTeee 07-22-2010 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by vette131 (Post 3165475)
Steps on a baja?


Yes....mine has a step going down into the cabin;)


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