Mange

Ironman,

Some of the boats here do have deck/hull glassed together. The others we can call pleasure cruisers I believe.

Mange

T2x

Perhaps this thread should be titled "Favorite Offshore 23-25 foot hulls"...and another marked "Favorite Offshore hull 20-22 Feet"...as these are really two entirely different hull sizes and performance envelopes.

As far as Uncle Dave's posts go, perhaps a thread entitled "Favorite Offshore hull with Bling and Thingy's" would be the ticket. The truth is that aside from graphics (personal choice), construction materials ( a bit lighter and stronger) and steps( 90% hype)....very little has impacted vee hull development in the past 40 years.

T2x

Uncle Dave

Paint/ gel- is certainly a preference. some like old school- I do not. sometime "old school" is a euphamism for "I cant do it" and sometimes it is a choice. (I personally prefer gelcoat to paint but thats me)

TX-2 -(thanks for the slam but youre off base)

So if a step is 90% hype what would you pay for 10
% more speed? How much more motor do you have to buy- and if you could get it why not? Me for my money ill take every subtle advances (4% here 3% there however many all add up) I can get as they all ad up to a superior experience.

Vacuum bagging is a new technology that makes the boat stronger (this isnt debated) and lighter (neither is this) therefore a boat using thi stech is better than the exact same hull not using this technique. Resin infusion (outerlimits) is yet another step ahead in this technology.

I dont call quality componentry (livorsi type throttle with separate shifter vs combined plastic el cheapo) unit "bling" I call one quality and one cheap.

looks and "bling" are another thing entirely.

IF only 10% has changed in 20 years why not take advantage of it? Sounds like sour grapes on your end.

Uncle Dave

Laveycraft 2750 Ilmor-710
Laveycraft 20.8 Sebring 406 SB
Fleetwood nitrous toy hauler
Yamaha raptor 700/Kawi KFX 450
Nissan Titan

rainmn

If it were my $85K, yes, I would rather have the solid color or two-tone scheme.

Don't get me wrong, there are lots of graphics out there that I think look great. There are probably just as many that I think look terrible. (Flames, for example, never look right on a boat to me.)

Some of my favorite boats over the last few years have been the Cigs with solid color hullsides.

onesickpantera

iTrader: (1)

Vacuum bagging will use less resin so it will be lighter but I am betting the strength is comparable. I would say that vacuum bagging offers the same strength with less weight. Yes, that is a good thing but is it 100% necessary? I would say that is subjective as to what you want out of your boat.

I think we all agree steps are definitely faster but it does come with different handing characteristics. Not saying good or bad just different.

As far as old school looks I will take that all day. But again that is personal preference. These loud multi-colored boats look nasty IMO. And molded swim platforms don't do it for me at all. I'll take solid colors and a flat transom.

There have been some great examples listed on this thread!

Top Banana

Top Bananna - thanks for the great info. Id like to discuss in more detail
You seem well connected and anybody really boating like yourself has good cred with me, and I LOVE the webber stacks in your avatar.

Thanks Dave, but the stacks are actually for a Kinsler Fuel Injection system, Webber’s are carburetors, but I appreciate your love of the old school look.

It seems as though you are an actual Manufacturer

…….. Well, yes and no. We are a manufacturer, but think of ourselves more in the line of a custom shop, similar to what Ruf would be for Porsche or Langlitz for motorcycle jackets. They are all Porsches and motorcycle jackets….BUT to each customer they are thought of as only their own.

We are a small company in numbers of annual units that we produce, but we never build the same boat twice, each is a product of the customer's imagination and our ability to bring their dreams to life for them. We have all new tooling (molds) and these new molds have the ability to have a boat vacuum bagged if the customer wants it. We have no overhead to speak of and no debt.

The people that do our layup are utilizing all the latest technology and have themselves won the Powerboat Magazine Quality Builder awards several times. The engines come from either Mercury or any of the better known custom shops out there. The outboards come from all the brands of outboard manufacturers once again, whatever the customer wants

Our goal is to make a product that is very high in quality and very unique to the market. We have no dealer network, but will work with any dealer who wants to build a custom boat for their customer. If the customer likes this classic look and wants whatever they want, we can do it. A 28 footer with a #6 and 1075 HP or twin 200 HP outboards on a bracket, just tell us and we will get it done. We are not trying to fit everyone into a size 40 overcoat

Dave, think along the lines of a real Shelby 427 Cobra or an early 911 Turbo. Those cars have a quality and beauty all of themselves. Strictly speaking, they have no new innovations or can claim no recent racing awards, yet they command an appreciation of their timeless designs.

Our typical buyer is someone who gets the “nostalgia” thing, but also wants to have the latest in layup and engine technology. They are people who have now or have had, the most exotic boats out there, but now want something simple, easy to run and dependable but still have that head turning appeal.

As far as the paint……if someone really wants to splash one of these designs with a modern paint job, it is their boat and they can have it any way they want. Not sure how it would look, think of a sweet 16 Donzi with a splash paint job.

If you are manufacturer today, you have to realize that EVERYONE builds a great boat, we are simply trying to offer our little niche to those that are interested.

It wasn’t clear from your postings…..are you a manufacturer? If so, what is it that you make?

T2x

Your welcome......Which base am I off, First, second, third or home plate?

It's not 10 % more speed...it's 10% of the "claimed" speed "increases", so I wouldn't pay much. When You factor in the loss of handling....I'll pass entirely.

You have a point, certainly, but when you compare say a balsa cored hull to a lighter layup....you also lose much of the solidity...... strength may be equal and the boat may be lighter, but in some applications one gets the feeling of riding in a clorox bottle......

What is "Livorsi type"? Isn't that more like "Latham style".... or "Marine Machine Wannabe"? There is nothing "new" about replacing plastic crap with high quality hardware...That's been going on for years...... and the Latham standard was set back in the 80"s
Not in California.......

What is it exactly, you're selling again?

T2x

UP_ROKTOY

x2

Pantera24

Uncle Dave,
It's a matter of "choice".... no more...no less......as for the shifter it's an option....
how much is a Laveycraft 24 nuera ?? 70-80k
I'll take a 20 year old Pantera 24 (20k) anyday and put it up against a new 24 nuera and let's see who will hang offshore.

cosmic12

Thank You as always